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JackB17 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Friends,I have a question. Am I legally responsible for my tenants medical bills and/or personal damages of pain and suffering due to My HOA Mngmnt company. My tenant had allergic reaction from a build up of algae in community Jacuzzi due to lack of daily cleaning and chemical testing.I definitely can attest that pool/Jacuzzi were not cleaned and proper chemical testing/chemical input were not being properly performed, for I myself have complained to HOA/mngmnt company that has on-site office. My tenant wants to sue me. I can't get a direct answer from our mnmgmt officials. I think they are protecting their best interests because pool company also part of mngmnt Mother company. I've owned My Condo since 2005 and never come across a tenant wanting to sue me due to negligence of HOA mngmnt company/or Pool company. I really need some advice. I'm all ears and I Thank You for your advice.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Now that is a first one for me. I'd consult a lawyer. However, I think they are suing the wrong person. They have the issue with the HOA not you directly. Your a member of the HOA so if they do sue the HOA, then you will be part of that lawsuit. Otherwise, you as the landlord is not responsible for their issues if it doesn't regard your home/lease.

If you ask me, I'd find a way to evict this tenant asap legally or not renew their lease. This one sounds like trouble...

Former HOA President
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Swimming pools, hot tubs and jacuzzis are regulated by the Florida Dept. of Health. Did the tenants file any complaints with the health department? No? Tant pis.

From my experience, county health department officials are pretty quick to order a pool closed when there's reasonable cause that pool safety or water quality could be responsible for health problems.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Do you have insurance on the rental unit? If so, first thing call the insurer and see what they advise.

My quick thoughts are:

Did you save your record of complaints to the HOA about the jacuzzi? If so, I think this may help exculpate you.

I do tend to think the tenant's claim will be with the HOA.

If your insurer says this is not covered, then I think you'd best hire an attorney to respond.

GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
As a rental owner, I would first simply say, in response to threats of a lawsuit to take it up with the HOA management company.

Wait and see what happens - bringing suit takes money - perhaps your tenant is shopping for lower rent, or shopping for an attorney.

An attorney is likely going to evaluate who/what organization has responsibility and money - I suspect an attorney would sue the MC, the HOA and you, just to cover their bases. There are always attorneys willing to take cases like this.

Time may be your friend - so, slow roll, notify your insurance company, let the HOA and MC know they should notify their insurance company ...

Let us know what happens, please ... we can always learn for these sorts of scenarios.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
For starters, people like to threaten to sue since talk is cheap. Far fewer follow through.

Anybody can sue anybody else for just about anything. If the tenant were to sue, they would probably shotgun it and sue you, the MC, the association, whoever maintains the spa, etc., etc.

For now, just keep pressing the association. If you do get served, hopefully you have homeowner's insurance. Turn it over to them, they will defend you and either settle or pay any judgement up to the policy limit. They might also pursue the association if they feel that makes sense.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
OP,

tough love:

if you are renting out property you are in fact a LANDLORD

as a landlord you 'should' have COMMERCIAL insurance

as a landlord you 'should' be reporting income to IRS

as a landlord YOU are responsible for any 'rented amenities'

you may, or may not, have recourse against YOUR HOA,
but, that is NOT your tenant's problem

YOU rented out use of a hot tub

YOU are responsible (to the tenant) for condition of same

you operate a commercial enterprise, you pay the price

GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
RoyalP,

Much of what you "wrote" is inaccurate.

But, you probably have more fun responding this way.

It's isn't particularly useful, regardless of the type of love.
RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
EVERYTHING I WROTE IS, IN FACT, ACCURATE

? 'Wanna wager some $$$$$ ?

We can meet in Vegas if you wish to wager $5000+ .

Income is in fact income and must be reported.

Typical HO insurance will NOT cover paying tenants.

A tenant has no relationship with the HOA unless specifically 'outlined' within the lease AND AGREED BY THE HOA (probably would require a membership vote).

[? some jurisdictions have authority ?]

? anything else ?

RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
..... It's isn't particularly useful, regardless of the type of love. .....


An attempt to prevent Jabberwocky BEFORE it begins is not useful ?

We will agree to disagree on said issue.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Since the tenant has no relation or contract with the management company, it may be that he needs to sue the landlord.

But the landlord had a defense and might find it necessary to sue the association. Or contact his insurance company, and let his insurance company deal with it.

By the way, the tenant alleges that he had an allergic reaction and alleges that it was due to algae. This would have to be proved. And any blame would partly be allocated to the tenant, if the pool was not properly treated, he knew about it, and used it anyway.

RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
..... if the pool was not properly treated, he knew about it, and used it anyway.


How, exactly, would he have 'known' ?

..... let the jabberwock continue .....
RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
OUT
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Good.

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