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GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
I'm fairly new to my first Board and am struggling with how to approach some rules and issues from a legal and common sense perspective (two may be mutually exclusive). Here is an example of issue and dilemma. 1) Landscaping- Plant heights: We have covenants that list maximum heights for certain plants which tend to block views. We have 100's of homes and condos, most of which have plants way over the height limit. Its been a slow creep from inches over 10 feet, to many feet over, with no enforcement except with complaints about views. Now there are several active view complaints. So questions: A. How does one determine when it's time to act?? Like a cop ticketing a speeder, when is too much?? Would it be fair to selectively enforce when view planes are blocked, or must everyone be involved once some are. So difficult and impractical in a tropical environment, especially when only a small number of homes have actual views affected, but virtually all would need major landscape work to remove higher foliage, much of which provides needed privacy and shading. A similar issue is lawn heights. At what point is it too much, and how does one respond when the violator points to dozens of other homes that are slightly over the listed height. I'm really looking for philosophy for good Board members, and acceptable practices besides rigid adherence to rules (like a cop ticketing for 1 mph over the limit). I'll post a few other issues separately later. Thanks in advance.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Gerry,

Failure to enforce on everyone provides the accused the ability to claim selective enforcement.

My advice, give a lot of advance notice.
Send something out now along the lines of:

The board has received many complaints of landscaping exceeding heights outlined in our covenants.
As a reminder, per Article x, section y, trees may be no higher then z feet. Bushes may be no higher then zz feet.

To provide guidance: With a single story home, the height from the ground to the gutter is approx 11 feet.

The board is sending this notice to all owners and residents to provide an opportunity for owners to bring their landscaping into compliance. On mm/dd/yyyy the Association will perform an inspection through the development to identify those who are not in compliance for further action.

Hope this helps,

Tim

GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Thanks much Tim. Very helpful. I guess my other question is, at what point is something a violation that needs addressing? For example, in our rules, we have preservation of view planes, and plant heights, separate. It's a slow crawl from 10' to 11', when does a Board get involved (now many are 15-20 feet). Also, would it be improper to primarily focus on the view planes, and less so on the other. Which will be more selective (complaint based), but so much more practical (especially given virtually every home has something over the prescribed height limit)
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Tim gave great advice (as usual!) so I’ll try to speak in general terms regarding rules enforcement. As you’ve already noticed (if not, just wait – you will), rules enforcement isn’t easy and can cause a lot of hoo-hah throughout the community, with people yelling things like “this rule is stupid,” “I can do whatever I want with my damned house,” “how come I’m being singled out” and of course “I’m gonna sue if you keep this up!” And a little more.

If you want to get the legal perspective, you’ll need to talk to your association attorney about that because what works in one state may not work in others. That said, another problem that crops up with a new emphasis of rules enforcement is consistency or lack thereof. Your covenants have rules regarding the maximum height of plants, but there are also dozens of trees that are over that. If nothing was said in the past, how do you go about enforcing this when someone points out “the board didn’t say anything before, why is it an issue now?”

As Tim noted, the first step is to give everyone advance notice of what the rule is and given them a chance to fix the problem. When you do the community walk-through and find violators, consistency and fairness will be key, so if you see, say 20 violators, notices go to all of them – don’t say things like “well that tree isn’t as high, so we won’t send him/her a letter.” Establish an appeals process so people will have a chance to tell their side and you can determine what should happen next.

For the bull-headed, you’ll have to decide how far you want to push, so if you’re going to look into fines or lawsuits in Small Claims Court, brace yourself and get to it. People will be made, threaten to countersue, go to the media and all that, but the board needs to be clear in its expectations. The first few times you press the issue, there will be some drama and it may go one for a few years, but if the board stands its ground, people will see you mean business. If they want to pitch those CCRs, it has to be done the right way – draft some rules, get community input, consult with the attorney to see what you really can and can’t do, send out the revisions, let the people vote and live with the results.

For me, rule enforcement begins with determining the size of the impact. People can enforce the covenants against each other, so if, for example, the complaint involves a plant that’s creating a blind spot that can (or has) cause traffic accidents, that’s more likely to get my attention than someone honked off about not seeing a lake from their deck because a tree is in the way. That doesn’t mean the board should ignore that tree, but it has to pick its battles because if we throw down, there will be time and resources consumed in addressing it.

Take a look at the complaints you’ve received and look for patterns – for me, the stuff that could impact a lot of people takes priority. Some may be more of a dispute between neighbors – the board should stay out of those unless a lot of people are affected (not the ones who are simply taking sides).
I’d also poll the neighbors and get their take on plant size and the problems it creates. Perhaps the CCRs need to be tweaked now that everyone has bigger plants. Maybe the board could consult a landscaping expert who can recommend what type of plants are best for your community and then the CCRs could be amended (with homeowner approval) to only allow those plants, along with expectations regarding pruning, placement, etc.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Thanks much. Excellent advice and information. With regard to your comments about priority and pattern, that is along the lines of what I'm having a hard time resolving. A few homeowners (5 or so) feel that the landscaping height violations are now blocking their views, and affecting ability to sell property. This is in an association with 500+ homes. So very small but vocal minority. It would be very easy to tell the 5 homeowners affecting them to cut their landscaping to standard, and not involve the other 490+ (so far). However, some won't comply, have consulted attorneys, and are claiming it's all or none. Was hoping isolating out the view plane rule and elevating it's importance to much greater than the general heights for all concept was reasonable. Maybe reasonable from a common sense perspective, but not HOA or legal perspective. Anyway, appreciate your advice and Tim's.
RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
Posted:
lawn care:

12" as per the 'universal property management code' ('google' it)

view height:

all or none else 'selective enforcement'

the BOD may decide not to enforce a particular rule

but

the decision must be universal

as the decision TO enforce must be universally applied
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Gerry

One of the most vexing questions is when does a BOD enforce. It always has been and will continue to be the tough question.

Your docs do not seem to clearly state "must not block views" but do list specific heights. If they did reference views, you could go after only the offenders blocking views.

Are you willing to take on all owners with tall vegetation?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Gary,

We do an annual inspection. Therefore, it's easy to identify violations.

Regarding the trees, if branches are above the gutter (expecting your 10' limit) then notification that pruning is required.

Our inspections include a category of "concern". This is typically an opportunity for the inspector to let the owner know that the issue may be a violation next year.
GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Thanks for the posts. We do have specific covenants that allow reasonable protection of view planes at the time of construction, and at any time afterwards if needed. These are entirely separate from foliage height limits. So in theory, one could prioritize the view plane concept??
GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
very helpful, thanks
GerryW1 (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
very helpful, thanks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GerryW1 on 02/15/2019 4:12 PM
Thanks for the posts. We do have specific covenants that allow reasonable protection of view planes at the time of construction, and at any time afterwards if needed. These are entirely separate from foliage height limits. So in theory, one could prioritize the view plane concept??

I would expect that the foliage height limits were created to clarify what constitutes a view plane issue (that's what our board would have done).
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GerryW1 on 02/15/2019 4:12 PM

So in theory, one could prioritize the view plane concept??

Quote:
Posted By GerryW1 on 02/15/2019 11:49 AM

However, some won't comply, have consulted attorneys, and are claiming it's all or none.

In reality, I think you answered your own question.

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