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ScottD11 (Nevada)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We are earning apx $5,000 a year on our reserve fund.

I think We should be able to offset our reserve funding requirements by our expected reserve fund earnings.

An eaxample: When doing our yearly budget, our reserve study tells us we need to fund the reserve account by $25,000. With expected earnings of $5,000 on the reserve fund, those earning being reinvested in the reserve fund, we could reduce our reserve funding to 25,000 - 5000 = $20,000.

We are located in Nevada. I have searched the Nevada statutes and can't find any thing about this.

thanks, Scott
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
I think it would be reasonable to count the reserve fund interest towards the required contribution. Note that the income is probably subject to federal income tax so that would reduce the net income. If you file form 1120H as many associations do, the income would be taxed at 30%.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
The $25,000 figure is based on whatever the projected earning are. From your example, it appears that your reserve study believes the reserves actually need to grow by $30,000 per year, made up of $25,000 in contributions PLUS $5000 in earnings. The only way you could justify reducing contributions is if your annual earnings EXCEEDED the reserve study's projections.

As a board member I'm always wary when we start to think about reducing contributions. Reserve studies are basically educated guesses based on projected interest rates, projected inflation rates, and remaining life of physical assets. Any of these can end up being wrong, and the consequences of underfunding the reserves are a lot more painful that those for overfunding. Underfunding can result in special assessments as well as lenders refusing to approve mortgages for prospective buyers.

At least in my area the board needs to justify any deviation from recent reserve study projections. It's a big deal. We're actually in a similar situation - our real earnings on the reserves are exceeding the projections from our last reserve study (2018). And we're letting it ride until we get a feel for how close the study's projections are to what actually is happening. Anything else feels irresponsible to me.
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
I think Cathy pretty much hit the nail on the head. Most reserve studies factor interest earned into the amount going into the reserves. You may want to review the financial projections in your reserve study documents to check for this.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
We do it every year. Required reserves contributions are offset by the interest we expect to earn.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Makes sense.

we actually place our interest in a contingency line item in the reserves which serves to off set Reserve expenses that are above projected amounts.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Another reason that you don't want to reduce your reserve contribution:

The interest earned can fall dramatically after a major expense. If you continue to fund the reserves based on the previous earnings, you'll probably find yourselves underfunded. I like Tim's idea of keeping the interest as a separate line item for contingencies. There are always contingencies...
ScottD11 (Nevada)
Posts: 3
Posted:
As I stated in my question our reserve study tells us how much we need to fund the reserves. It doesn't say how, it doesn't take into account any interest earned on the funds.
I was not trying to under-fund or rake off money out of the account. I just want to offset our projected monthly deposits by our projected monthly interest income.

It seems that from most of the responses this is a reasonable thing to do.

I will ask our lawyer for the final say.

thanks
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Scott,

Is your HOA fully funded in terms of Reserves?

There's a difference between depositing 100% of expected cash into a Reserve Fund annually versus the size of cash already deposited.

Interest is a great way to build savings but expecting your ROI to essentially fund operations or keep HOA dues lower is a subjective call based on the financial philosophy of your board.
ScottD11 (Nevada)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We are close to 100%, we did a road project last year which took a bite out of it, but we have increased the monthly transfer to get whole by the end of the year. We were a bit overfunded prior to the project in anticipation of the expected withdrawal.

And yes we do anticipate the use of interest earnings on the reserve account to put a downward pressure on raising assessments.

Scott
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Scott,

I get the impression your Association is using the cash flow vs. component method for the reserve study. If this is correct, I would be concerned on offsetting the contribution with the interest. This is because you can always have the unexpected (item needs replaced sooner then expected) which can, as you say, take a bite out of the reserves which would have to be made up.

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