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PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Florida Chapter 720 states:
(a)ā€ƒAn association that meets the criteria of this paragraph shall prepare or cause to be prepared a complete set of financial statements in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as adopted by the Board of Accountancy. The financial statements shall be based upon the association’s total annual revenues, as follows:
1.ā€ƒAn association with total annual revenues of $150,000 or more, but less than $300,000, shall prepare compiled financial statements.
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Please can you help me to understand if the Compiled Financial Statement can be prepared by HOA members or, does it have to be done by an outside firm? Our Operating Income is about $250K.
Thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
An association that meets the criteria of this paragraph shall prepare or cause to be prepared . . .

shall prepare = do it yourself

cause to be prepared = have someone else do it
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Tim, thank you, this is how I read it but met with opposing views. Could/should the Treasurer prepare such statement or should it be done by a Committee?

Also, would you happen to know if there is a guideline for such Statement and what does it have to include? Perhaps GAAP may have published something?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Posted:
This reads as either/or to me ...ā€shall prepare or cause to be preparedā€ terminology in (a), but then, below, it says ā€œshall prepareā€ as the statute puts more content into the general requirement. I think all the verbiage simply means either do it yourself or get someone to do it. Pretty broad, in other words.

(a)ā€ƒAn association that meets the criteria of this paragraph shall prepare or cause to be prepared a complete set of financial statements in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as adopted by the Board of Accountancy. The financial statements shall be based upon the association’s total annual revenues, as follows:
1.ā€ƒAn association with total annual revenues of $150,000 or more, but less than $300,000, shall prepare compiled financial statements.
2.ā€ƒAn association with total annual revenues of at least $300,000, but less than $500,000, shall prepare reviewed financial statements.
3.ā€ƒAn association with total annual revenues of $500,000 or more shall prepare audited financial statements.
(b)1.ā€ƒAn association with total annual revenues of less than $150,000 shall prepare a report of cash receipts and expenditures.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted:
According to a definition I saw on accountingcoach.com - "A compilation is often the result of an accounting service known as write-up work. With compilations, or compiled financial statements, the outside accountant converts the data provided by the client into financial statements without providing any assurances or auditing services."

So it would appear either the treasurer or committee could prepare this if if your association meets the criteria in your state law, but the question you should really be asking yourselves is whether the treasurer and/or committee is qualified and comfortable with doing this. If so, go for it, but you might want to have the report reviewed by an outside firm to ensure it was prepared correctly and the numbers add up the way they're supposed to.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Shelia,

I truly do not know if any members are qualified to prepare such a report at this time. We have a number of absentee owners and investors I have never met nor do I know what their business background is. As you suggest, we could give it a try, have it reviewed by an accountant and use it as a template in the future. But this expense will require a vote by all members. I will ask a couple of accountants for a preliminary quote. Thank you for that suggestion.

I have never seen a Compiled Financial Statement for a not-for-profit corporation such as HOA. Nor do I know if such statement must also comply - or be in the harmony- with the provisions in By-laws. which specifically state that we must keep the following funds:

1. Operating Fund
2. Operating Contingency Fund
3. Reserve Fund for replacement and deferred maintenance
4. Improvements (covers improvements on the common property)
5. Pool Fund (required by Florida Law)

Believe it or not, we do co-mingle money for years now. Also, the Budget nor Financial Statements - now prepared by the Treasurer- never show beginning and ending bank balances so the owners really do not know how much cash we have on hand. This is why several owners now want to know how our money is allocated and what measures should be taken to manage the financials correctly. Hopefully, I am explaining the problem somewhat clearly.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Petunka,

It sounds like the big concern, then, is that the process currently in use does not provide enough visibility into the financial circumstances of the HOA.

Everyone should be put on notice to change this quickly - before someone decides to take everyone to court, where they may be held personally liable.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
George,

I think the problem is with unsystematic or haphazard record keeping only. To get it in line will require a lot of changes and work. We just need to figure out how to do it correctly and that alone may not be a cake walk or, may require professional advice=money.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
The treasurer isn't listing beginning and ending bank balances? Something that simple tells me he/she may not have a handle on this, so I think you may as well go with an outside firm to start. In fact, I recommend it because whoever's keeping the books might be making all sorts of errors at best - or cooking the books at worst. and NO ONE has been paying enough attention, so this is where you are.

It seems odd that this expense would require a vote by everyone - I would think your bylaws give the board the authority to hire contractors for this sort of thing, so check them again. If not, You and the other homeowners who are concerned should get together and persuade everyone else it's past time to have a professional look at your records. The treasurer might bark, but he/she should be reminded that this isn't just his/her money - it's the association's money and everyone needs to know where the money's coming from and where it's going. The entire board is responsible for this, and the treasurer is generally the point person to oversee the process. If the treasurer doesn't have anything to hide, he/she should welcome a review - maybe there's something that was done in good faith that isn't being done correctly. Doesn't mean he's a crook, but you need to have competent people at the helm.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Shelia, I agree and wish I could shed more light on this. Our Treasurer - is an investor-and does not live in Florida. And, it may be difficult for him to understand how to manage the financials. Over the years, I have tried my best to explain that he needs to comply with our documents but ...

Our By-laws (written in 1983) state this:

At the Annual Meeting of the Association, the members present shall determine by a majority vote whether an audit of the accounts of the Association for the year shall be made by a Certified Public Accountant, a Public Accountant, or by an auditing committee consisting of not less than three members of the Association, none of which shall be Board members. The costs of audit shall be paid by the Association.

I guess the intent is for the members to determine how the so called 'audits' should be performed since the members (or outside firms) actually 'audit' the board. That makes sense to me. Do you agree?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Petunka,

We use our audit/financial review for the process.

One would likely need to have more then a cursory knowledge of accounting principals to really create the statements (as it would also depend on how the accounts are setup for the Association).

If interested:

What is GAAP? from accounting.com

What kind of financial reporting requirements does GAAP set out? per investopia

Financial Operations from the Foundation for Community Association Research

HOA Accounting and Financial Statements Overview from a financial management company
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Tim, thank you muchly. I will read all. And yes, will try to push for an accountant to prepare the FY18 statement once I get at least a couple of quotes.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Keep in mind that an audit can cost 10K or more.
A financial review (which still provides an opinion of the finances) a little less.
A compilation of your financial paperwork will be less expensive but will not provide an opinion if the Association is doing thing properly or not.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Yep, Tim, I know and the cost scares me cause it seems we have no extra money-due to the maintenance issues - to spend. Hiring an outside firm will be a hard sell, no doubt. Not sure if can come up with another solution.
RoyalP
Posts: 1,104
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Posted By PetunkaM on 01/28/2019 9:52 AM
George,

I think the problem is with unsystematic or haphazard record keeping only. To get it in line will require a lot of changes and work. We just need to figure out how to do it correctly and that alone may not be a cake walk or, may require professional advice=money.

QuickBooks may become your best friend.

There are 'others', this is the one 'my' association uses.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Regardless of what Bylaws written in the 1980s say, FS 720 requires compiled, reviewed or audited financials depending on the association's annual revenue, as noted above. My HOA (100 homes) has had an outside accountant prepare reviewed financials for us for the last 10 years or so. Last year we paid $2,600 for that service. If it's something that has to be done, by statute, you have to do it and the homeowners should not have any vote on the matter. It has to be done. If you need to do a special assessment for $25 to be able to pay for it then so be it.
PetunkaM (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Geno,

the Statute allows for the Association to prepare Compiled Financial Statement so hiring an outside accountant may require membership vote. I have talked to my accountant who is a CPA and he told me that there are several ways to do a compilation and asked for a guidance before giving us a quote. For instance, he wanted to know if we want to include supplemental cost estimates/schedules for future repairs and replacements on common property such as concrete repairs, road resurfacing, concrete repairs, roofs replacements, etc.
EdC5 (Florida)
Posts: 117
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Posted By PetunkaM on 02/06/2019 7:25 AM
Geno,

the Statute allows for the Association to prepare Compiled Financial Statement so hiring an outside accountant may require membership vote. I have talked to my accountant who is a CPA and he told me that there are several ways to do a compilation and asked for a guidance before giving us a quote. For instance, he wanted to know if we want to include supplemental cost estimates/schedules for future repairs and replacements on common property such as concrete repairs, road resurfacing, concrete repairs, roofs replacements, etc.

Speaking as a FL CAM, the supplementals should be part of a financial statement. Also, as a side question: when was the last time your association had a reserve study done? Those numbers would also be helpful to the CPA doing your financial statement.

Edward J Cooke, CMCA, LCAM
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By PetunkaM on 02/06/2019 7:25 AM
the Statute allows for the Association to prepare Compiled Financial Statement so hiring an outside accountant may require membership vote

That would depend on your documents. You have to prepare that annual financial statement and most boards don't need to go to the membership for approval of expenditures required by law.

FS 720.303(7)(a) says, "An association that meets the criteria of this paragraph shall prepare or cause to be prepared a complete set of financial statements in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles as adopted by the Board of Accountancy."

If you have someone in the community who is qualified to certify that statements comply with GAAP then you might get them to do it at no charge. Otherwise you have to go outside the organization. "We didn't do it because membership voted not to spend the money," isn't a defensible position where legal obligations are concerned.

FS 720.303(7)(c) says a membership vote can compel a higher level review than what's called for by the revenue thresholds. Maybe that's what you're referring to with regard to a membership vote. Otherwise, unless your governing documents call for it, the members should have no say. The only decision should be the board's on who to hire and how much of a special assessment is needed to pay for it if need be.
PikkosF (Virginia)
Posts: 12
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Posted By TimB4 on 01/28/2019 3:32 PM
Petunka,

We use our audit/financial review for the process.

One would likely need to have more then a cursory knowledge of accounting principals to really create the statements (as it would also depend on how the accounts are setup for the Association). Best private bookkeeping services company Your Books On Time.

If interested:

What is GAAP? from accounting.com

What kind of financial reporting requirements does GAAP set out? per investopia

Financial Operations from the Foundation for Community Association Research

HOA Accounting and Financial Statements Overview from a financial management company

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