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TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
Hi all,

Our new BOD has decided to talk with an attorney who claims to be experience with HOA law. She has done a few dues collections and has offered a 1 hr session for free. Can you please provide a few talking points/tips that will help assess her qualifications? Much thanks. Tracy
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Sign a short term contract and let her show what she can do. It will probably hinge on how many folks on the Board she can impress. Ther are all sorts of ways to evaluate her, not the less being talking to people that have had dealings with her. Lawyers are like doctors, people tend to judge on whether they like them. What you are asking of her shouldn't be all that difficult. Another thing to watch is her response to phone calls. You absolutely should be prudent about contacting her but when you do call, make it important, and expect the same from her. So, in part the process of selecting a lawyer can be influenced by your demand and has nothing to do with her.

JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
You could ask her how she does collections. How often she wins collection cases (should be 100%), what she does to collect judgments. (I like to see passion on collection of assessments!)

Perhaps find out how many cases other than assessments she would expect per year. (I heard one attorney say if there was even one, she was not doing her job properly).

Ask if she has a client newsletter and/or seminars for her clients(i.e. is she proactive in education).

I'd try to get a feel for how litigious she was, and stay away from one that wanted to make a name for herself with the association's money.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
TracyT, request the following...

a. Professional References (from other HOA's she has represented)
b. Collections "SOP's" - standard operating procedures, (while the board does dictate and create them, you need to know if the atty has better methods).
c. Hourly billings or retainer
d. Will atty be a registered agent with local municipality
e. How familiar she is with your state/local laws/codes governing HOA's or CIC's.
f. Any professional/trade affiliations (CAI, Bar Associations, etc)
g. General profiency in Contract law (negotiation, ADR/Mediation)
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TracyT on 08/27/2007 3:58 PM
Hi all,

Our new BOD has decided to talk with an attorney who claims to be experience with HOA law. She has done a few dues collections and has offered a 1 hr session for free. Can you please provide a few talking points/tips that will help assess her qualifications? Much thanks. Tracy

Ask for HOA references and call them.
How much do you charge for a collection letter, lien, foreclosure?
Do you have a collection agent or is it done in house?
Do you make house calls? Attorney's explain to the HO a ticklish situation better than the BOD.
Are you well versed about the laws of our state reguarding HOA's?
Bring a copy of your CC&R's and By-Laws for her to review.
Have you done any contract work?
Give her a case that you know about and ask her how she would handle it.
What do you charge for phone calls? Can I speak directly with you or an assistant?

You should not have to sign a contract. If she performs well she should get all your business. The transition to a new attorney is like an accountant. There is a lot of history and it can be difficult to explain.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I agree with most of the posters. However, I don't like to have an attorney representing the HOA full-time. A HOA ONLY needs an attorney technically to represent the HOA in court. Having an attorney draft violation letters is an expense that really adds "intimidation" on the behalf of the HOA's BOD. The BOD should be able to draft simple violation letters on their own or through their MC's office.

An Attorney should be used for notices of liens, foreclosures, legal advice, or drafting CC&R's rule changes. The attorney is to represent the HOA as a group and NOT any individual members. An individual member can't use the attorney's services for their own. Neither can a BOD member.

You have to understand my standard advice: If you sue your HOA, your suing yourself and your neighbors. The HOA board has to hire an attorney to represent them in court. How does the HOA BOD pay for the legal representation? The dues collected by the members. So the member not only has to pay for their own attorney but they are also responsible for paying their dues which the HOA uses to pay their own attorney. I advocate strongly that a HOA only uses an attorney based on need and not just to have one around.

Make sure you have an attorney who specialized in Corporate or business law. The HOA may be Real estate, but the rules are CONTRACTUAL and corporate. Watch the costs of the Retainer fee. Keeping an attorney on retainer can be expensive. Be careful about contacting the attorney as well. They will charge you for each phone call or email. Mine charged $28 to return an email or phone call!!! So make sure you know what the charges are besides hourly. Drafting letters can be quite expensive as well.

I've had up to 3 different attorneys when I was President of my HOA. Each was responsible for different issues. Some specialized more than others. In my case, I did study some legal courses in college. So I basically told my lawyers what to do. I just couldn't legally practice the law, so I paid them to do so. You have to respect that. You can quote and look up as many laws as you want, but an attorney is the ONLY one that is the actual practicioner of the law. That's what your paying for.

Former HOA President
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Melissa is correct, an attorney for a HOA should never be on retainer.

In Fl. and many states there are laws about collections. After the HOA has sent a demand letter the attorney issues another demand letter, then a lien follows. Careful on following the laws for collections.

JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
I don't believe our association should have an attorney on retainer either. It has to do with how much legal advice you need. I can imagine larger, more complicated associations might need the retainer arrangement. The thing to do is do it without and if you are spending too much on attorney fees, and it would be more economical to have a retainer arrangement -- go with that.

Around here there are attorneys who specialize in association law, plus are full service attorneys. It is hard for me to imagine an association (particularly a small one) needing more than one attorney if you pick the proper one. I also believe that it is false economy not to use your attorney and to do your own "lawyering". Obviously the more knowledgeable you are the less you need them, but boards should feel free to ask questions according to their level of expertise. And, even though I would write the resolutions etc. in draft form I thought it important to always pass them through the attorney. After all, he was to be the one that would have to support them in a court of law. Now our board is so unfamiliar with the law that they should just go straight to the attorney for drafting of such documents. It does depend on your past experience, and inclination. If you get lots of edits on your resolutions, perhaps you need to just outline what you want and let him right it from scratch!

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
TracyT: I would suggest you not have an attorney on retainer, but one which would be available (as needs arise) at an hourly rate or at a rate per 'responsibility'.

I would ask for recommendations from other communities which this attorney provided service to; I would ask for their knowledge of HOA law in your state and ask for specific HOA instances where this attorney was successful. You would also want to learn your state's law for HOAs
since much of what is necessary in filing for a lien/foreclosure you may be able to do yourself without paying out the big bucks to the attorney.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Tracy:

I agree with the last half of the posters, I don't think the HOA should employ a full-time attorney. I think they should have a person that they feel comfortable going to with questions and that person should charge them an appropriate per hour fee. Find out about collection procedures in your state, ours are very simple to file a lien and the board can do that without an attorney. All attorneys do is cause everyone to dig in their heels, jack up prices and cause problems. They should be used for advice and only for litigation if absolutely needed.
JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
I'm not sure anything I said could be construed as advocating litigation, in fact I think I said I would be sure the attorney was non-litigious. However, I believe to make a blanket statement that anyone who has an attorney on retainer is litigious is a bit of a stretch.

I wasn't sure how we ever wandered into the old "suing your association is suing yourself" refrain again, though I suppose if anything legal comes up it is inevitable that we stretch the discussion to that. There are some boards that are extremely unsure of the laws that surround them, they have never run a business and are new to community law. In addition, they don't read their own documents. I could see if you put a green board like this in, they would need much more advice than a board that was more qualified. Perhaps some people might use their PM or MC or whatever for that, but not everyone has one, and from the posts on this forum not all MC's know the law either. Also, as I have ran a company and have had attorney friends who threatened to walk out of my life altogether if I didn't start sending legal docs through the lawyer (my partners thought they were legal beagles) I would say anyone who just uses an attorney to sign the papers for them is asking for trouble. Remember the old saying of a person who represents theirself has a fool for a client.
TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
Excellent! Thank you all. Tracy

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