Board Memebers Meet without PM

Does anyone know if there is a violation of some law that states that a board cannot meet without the PM(Property Management) rep present. Frankly, I dont trust my PM and it seems that we have had a number of problems that they are not willing to answer. This is a California HOA. If anyone knows, Please let me know...

Thanks

Nothing in the state law, the Davis-Stirling Act, mandates that PM reps are to attend Board meetings. As a servant of the Board, they may be "invited" to assist with answering questions that may be posed by members.

Meetings are limited to "members of the Association"
1363.05. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the
Common Interest Development Open Meeting Act.
(b) Any member of the association may attend meetings of the board
of directors of the association

JoeD5 - The PM is an employee of the Board, albeit a very important employee. What do you do if the PM's contract needs to be terminated? Ask the PM to sit in and take the minutes? No. You are not required to have the PM at all meetings.

I can't without extensive research but I've attended a few city sponsored HOA courses and there were attendees there who proclaimed that their documents required them to hire a professional property manager. I can only speculate as to the reasons why but I imagine that the shear volumn of members in some HOAs could have something to do with it. So I tend to never say never or use absolutes because it seems anything is possible.