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GenoS (Florida)
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Our Bylaws say, "Special Meetings of the Board of Directors may be called by the President or by members of the Board for any time and place, provided, reasonable notice of such meetings shall be given to each member of the Board before the time appointed for such meeting."

I read it as saying a single board member may call a special board meeting. What do others think about that?

I understand that if other directors think there's no need for a special meeting they can stymie the process by just not showing up and thereby prevent a quorum.
AdamD1 (Indiana)
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Posted By GenoS on 09/24/2018 1:49 PM
Our Bylaws say, "Special Meetings of the Board of Directors may be called by the President or by members of the Board for any time and place, provided, reasonable notice of such meetings shall be given to each member of the Board before the time appointed for such meeting."

I read it as saying a single board member may call a special board meeting. What do others think about that?

I understand that if other directors think there's no need for a special meeting they can stymie the process by just not showing up and thereby prevent a quorum.

I read it as the only officer who can call a Special Meeting would be the President. Additionally, any Director could call a Special Meeting as well. You're right, if the issue is of little importance to the majority of Directors, they could simply not show up to the Special Meeting, thus a quorum can not be met (assuming a simple majority of Directors constitutes a quorum for your Board).

My docs state either the President or a majority of Board members may call a Special Meeting. I like the way yours is written wayyyyy more!
GenoS (Florida)
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Good catch, Adam, thank you. By specically naming "the President" it does seem to exclude other officers. Unfortunately it's the Secretary/Treasurer who wants to have a special meeting.

The issue at hand is something that requires a meeting that's noticed at leasst 14 days in advance. The next regular board meeting is 30 days away and the issue needs to be decided before then. The president is wholly uninterested in the subject matter (which is a revision to our Rules & Regulations).
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Geno,

My inferential read is that the authors would have worded it differently if they didn’t mean a majority of the BoD.

Why specify President if ANY of the Directors could call for a special meeting?

The President may be called ou because of the responsibility for management ...I.e. some level of esteem and trust. Any director could be any one of the many chair sitters and allow anyone who is weak to be influenced by anything or anyone enough to call a special meeting.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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I don't think the verbiage excludes the secretary/treasurer from calling a meeting assuming the secretary/treasurer is a director.

The part that appears open to interpretation is "members of the board". Does that imply plural, as in more than one? If the intent was to allow a single director to call a meeting, it should have been written as "any member of the board".

And as already mentioned, if you don't get a quorum, it's moot anyway.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 09/24/2018 2:11 PM
Why specify President if ANY of the Directors could call for a special meeting?

That's a really good question, George.

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Posted By DouglasK1 on 09/24/2018 2:15 PM
I don't think the verbiage excludes the secretary/treasurer from calling a meeting assuming the secretary/treasurer is a director.

The part that appears open to interpretation is "members of the board". Does that imply plural, as in more than one? If the intent was to allow a single director to call a meeting, it should have been written as "any member of the board".

Also very good points.
MarkM19 (Texas)
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Douglas you nailed it (members not member) to me means 2 or more other than the President. Our language stated it clearly that 2 board members or the Pres can call a meeting with proper notice.

AdamD1 (Indiana)
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Posted By GenoS on 09/24/2018 3:12 PM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 09/24/2018 2:11 PM
Why specify President if ANY of the Directors could call for a special meeting?

That's a really good question, George.

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Posted By DouglasK1 on 09/24/2018 2:15 PM
I don't think the verbiage excludes the secretary/treasurer from calling a meeting assuming the secretary/treasurer is a director.

The part that appears open to interpretation is "members of the board". Does that imply plural, as in more than one? If the intent was to allow a single director to call a meeting, it should have been written as "any member of the board".

Also very good points.

I think in some very rare instances, HOA officers are not Board members. In such set up, at least one officer would have the ability to call a Special meeting.
GenoS (Florida)
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Thanks, Mark. Our Bylaws are a hot mess with ambiguities and grey areas everywhere. For instance, after almost 5 years, I just noticed nowhere in our governing documents is the length of a board member's term defined. There are many such oversights, but that's a different story. When and if we amend the Bylaws those are two things that we'll address. Explicitly saying "the president or any 2 board members" may call a special board meeting sounds ideal.
MarkM19 (Texas)
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Geno,
I think the voting terms are in the CC&Rs. I would check there first. Those are very hard to get changed and we tried for my last 4 years on my board without success. People do not care to vote and nobody but a very few board members take the time to actually read them. The common problem we had when we tried several times is the board must be trying to slip something past the community. This was always used by the anti HOA members and it scared people from voting. Bylaws are much easier but still not easy. I would advise make sure you are ready with every change all at once because it is expensive to do the mailings and follow-up marketing plus the lawyers fees.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Geno

I read it to say can be called by the President or two or more BOD Members.
RichardP13 (California)
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It would be the President or any other member of the Board. If they wanted to exclude, it would have been spelled out.
KerryL1 (California)
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Ours ar the prez or any two directors or a director and an officer.

What do FL corporations does say, Geno?
MarkM19 (Texas)
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Richard,
First time in all the posts I have seen you comment on that I must say I thing you have it wrong. The (S) in members would not be there if it wasn't to specify two members. Other wise the language would say any board member can call a special meeting. Even if you are right any first year law student could fight that case in court. IMO
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted By MarkM19 on 09/24/2018 4:20 PM
Richard,
First time in all the posts I have seen you comment on that I must say I thing you have it wrong. The (S) in members would not be there if it wasn't to specify two members. Other wise the language would say any board member can call a special meeting. Even if you are right any first year law student could fight that case in court. IMO

Here is what California Corporation Code says, (1) Meetings of the board may be called by the chair of the board or the president or any vice president or the secretary or any two directors.

Why can't it be three members or a quorum of members, why is it on two? Legal documents are written in such a manner to be confusing, otherwise, lawyers would be disposable.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Mark and Richard.
Who cares what other docs read. Geno quoted his so let us stick to his.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 09/24/2018 4:10 PM
Ours ar the prez or any two directors or a director and an officer.

What do FL corporations does say, Geno?

Hmmmmm.... FS 720 is silent but in that case FS 617 "Corporations Not For Profit" would hold sway. I didn't think to look there so thanks for the reminder. FS 617.0820 "Meetings" says

"Meetings of the board of directors may be called by the chair of the board or by the president unless otherwise provided in the articles of incorporation or the bylaws."

Since there's no "chairman of the board" position, then we're left with the president unless the docs say otherwise. So we're back to the Bylaws and "may be called by the President or by members of the Board...".

I'd really like this to mean one or more board members but I think the plural 'members' is significant along with the idea that if any board member could call a special meeting then why mention the president at all since all of the executive officers have to be directors. This part of the Bylaws goes back to the beginning (1989) when the declarant was in control and even though officers needed to be directors, directors weren't required to be homeowners.
RichardP13 (California)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 09/24/2018 5:13 PM
Mark and Richard.
Who cares what other docs read. Geno quoted his so let us stick to his.

WOW, did we put our pants on backwards?

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