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JenniferJ5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I am coming here to ask for some direction on the issue that I am having with my condo association. It keeps me up late and stresses me out so badly that my neck hurts and I cannot sleep, and I have had two migraines this week.

Last Monday, I got a call from the Board President asking me to move my car because it was near where cement work was being done at our property. I explained that I wasn't home and could not move my car at that moment, but would get there as quickly as I could. He told me that they were towing my car. I could not believe that they would tow a car with no prior notice when it was legally parked in my parking lot. As I explained to my Board Member that no information was provided about what the cement project consisted of or what would be done, and no mention of anything affecting our parking had been provided, he called me an "idiot" and made sexist remarks that "maybe only guys know about cement repair". I started explaining that had I known the scope I may have understood, where he promptly called me an "idiot" once more and I disconnected the call. I contacted the police and had them meet me at the property, where one single board member and the (terrible) property manager were loitering. They did not tow my car, but they did call the tow truck to come, so now ALL of the owners are paying for their harassment of me. I left the property and went to get hurricane supplies. I received a text from this same board member accusing me of being in my unit, and was appalled at the accusation. I just bought a car less than 3 weeks ago and would not have wanted anything to damage it. Whoever "tattled" didn't see that I was waiting on the police before I went downstairs. When I came back from running errands, the front door to the building had been boarded up. I could not take my supplies up the fire escape four floors.

The next day, four men were in my parking lot, one the same board member from the day before. He was rude, dismissive, and told me that he didn't care about my property. He called me an idiot, got about 2" from my face, he called me crazy, and he stepped back and then said "I hope you keel over and die".Two Board Members heard him, one I had a lengthy conversation with after where he said that he was way, way out of line. The other said "oh, well, everyone says something they don't mean".

That same night, I received an email from my property manager scolding me for speaking to a contractor, the same ones that needed me to bandage and tend to his wound when he smashed it on our property. She told me that I would be fined for using the door, and made some other financial threats against me. Guess next time, I'll let them keep a rubber band wrapped as tight as possible around two fingers, and he can lose them. Come ON!

I do not know what to do because the board member is a bully. I am so afraid and have even started carrying a gun in my purse. I will not speak to him again, and will only turn away if I see him. It is wrecking my home life, peace, and I am afraid to even pull in my driveway. I live in fear. I need help, for real. Can you tell I am at wits end?

Thanks so much!
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
MOVE
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jennifer,

Sorry to hear of your troubles.

Obviously, one option is to sell and move. However, we know that this is easier said then done and simply may not be practical.

You are doing the right thing by contacting the police when you feel threatened.
Do not do anything that will cause yourself more problems.

If you need the weapon to feel safe, fine.
Make sure you have a license for a conceal/carry permit. If you don't have one, don't carry it concealed (in your purse).
Don't show the weapon and don't pull the weapon unless you have to. Once you do, the issue has escalated and the police will be knocking on your door asking you questions.

Hopefully the hurricane didn't affect your area to badly and things will get back to normal fairly quickly.
Hopefully, what ever work is being done near your area will be finished soon and life can go on.

Again, call the police when you feel threatened.

Tim
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
What is your position on the board. I too had a bully and inappropriate board member on my board. I contacted our board attorney and had him conduct a board ethics/fudiciary duties training all board members were required to attend. The bully board member did nit attend and resigned.

We continue to have this training for all new board members and a refresher for all current board members.

Calling the police is good but getting your board attorney involved is productive because it shows the bully that they can be sued and standing up to the bully coukd result in a permanent solution.

M
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It is called calling the police. Being a board member doesn't protect you from being arrested for breaking the law. Too bad... Too sad... You practice being mean to people you have to answer to the law... NOT the HOA one...

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
1. Provide the Board, AND ALL Board members via certified letter a chronological, word by word summary of what has occurred
2. After the letters have been delivered request affidavits from the board member who heard the board prez
3. Provide a copy to the HOA attorney, noting his responsibility to the HOA
4. Contact another attorney - make sure it is one that is qualified in this area of law, and ask them about options, including some form of suit against the president (try and keep the HOA board out of the legal suit since you are trying to isolate the prez)
5. Visit the police station and provide them an update on what you have done so they will be ready to respond appropriately

This would just be the beginning ...

1. Start a recall of the prez via whatever special meeting process you have in your CCRs
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Oh yeah ... and, LOSE the gun. My sense is that you sound a bit too emotional to be carrying lethal weapons. Remember, you are just dealing with a bully president.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Because Jennifer wrote as her subject, "being abused by my own Board member," it seems like she's on the board, But I don't think she is.

This doesn't make the behavior towards her acceptable. I think George's approach makes sense and she wasn't a chronological list of each incident since she may have to resort to legal action.

DO call the police if anyone threatens you with physical harm.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Because Jennifer wrote as her subject, "being abused by my own Board member," it seems like she's on the board, But I don't think she is.

This doesn't make the behavior towards her acceptable. I think George's approach makes sense and she should write a chronological list of each incident since she may have to resort to legal action. eave out the details like running errands, etc.

DO call the police if anyone threatens you with physical harm. Again I agree with George: LOSE the gun.
JaneS13 (California)
Posts: 37
Posted:

How frightening for you to expereince that. Glad to know there are caring and intelligent people here offering advice during this stressful time.

Based on what you said about that unwanted remark, perhaps consider filing a HUD compliant online to get an intake interview, If approved HUD will conduct its own investigation among parties at no cost to you. It may take some time.

Hope you find a solution soon.
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
..... DO call the police if anyone threatens you with physical harm. Again I agree with George: LOSE the gun. .....


WHY ?!
JenniferJ5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you for all of your input. I used to be on the Board, but am not anymore. Today certainly did not get better, and the association manager has harassed me even more.

Last Monday, they boarded up the entrance to my building, sealing it off and preventing ingress or egress. The mail was also not able to get in, and we have not gotten mail delivery all week. There was a hurricane coming and I needed to get bottled water and food, etc. and was physically unable to carry them around the building and up the back steps, four flights up a fire escape.

Further, our back yard floods so badly that it has prevented my downstairs neighbor from getting in and out of his unit for years. Being boarded in to your condo is scary and especially so with the storm coming. So, I called the fire marshal, who also confirmed to me that it is not legal to barricade people inside their homes, even with a back staircase. He informed me that he was going to contact the manager and educate her on the fire codes. Also, the more I read and thought about it, the more guilt I had for knowing the contractor was working without a permit, leaving the association open to fines and fees, so I finally decided that doing the right thing is more important than not making her mad, so I reported them to the City. So, the plywood came down and the contractor was supposed to get the permit the next day (3x what it would have been if he had pulled it before starting and now that they did the work without a permit, they have to have an engineering report done-and these should NOT be at the Association's expense).

Today, a sherriff's deputy knocked on my door and served me with papers, a "temporary no-contact order for stalking or nonconsensual sexual contact. WHAT?????? I have been to their office three times in more than 11 years. I was speaking at a meeting at one time, and twice I went and saw the receptionist to pay my dues. She is alleging I staked her?? I live here! This is my home!! What in the holy hell is happening. Did I die? Am I in hell? That has to be what this is.Or maybe I am on What Would You do?

So, tomorrow will be all of my regular stuff and then try to meet with my lawyer. Now I am going to do something about the issues, and it is going to the top. I will spend every dime I have to expose the fraud that is being played on us. It is insane that this is happening. I have always been active and happy and loved this home. I am so sad and stressed and upset I can't even eat.

Thank for the insight and any further direction is appreciated. I didn't take a gun out today, but I do have a CCP, and also NC is an open carry state. In know the rules and I am very strict about following them (haha same as in life and in HOA). I will find some of the best to upload later. Im too tired and stressed and sad tonight.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Well the bright side is that the storm is over, flood waters should be receding and things will slowly get back to normal.
JenniferJ5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I guess the bright side is that this girl is harassing me to the point of me being afraid and not wanting to be in my own home. But she tried to get an order of protection against me because she heard the police tell me to do that. She is truly a gift who is trying to teach me patience, I guess. The TRO was denied because she didn;t have cause to get one, just trying to push it farther. I am going to meet with the lawyer tomorrow. I've had enough.
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
Were you under the MANDATORY evacuation order BEFORE the building was 'boarded up' ?

When is the court date for the PERMANENT injunction (order of protection) ?

'Temps' are routinely granted pending appearance in court !

Your living arrangement, by YOUR telling, are awful.

? Why do you stay ?
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
posts crossed

seems the story has changed re: TRO which was NOT granted
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
That is my question too... Was there NOT a mandatory evacuation put into place? Seems a bit strange... Guess I am finding the whole "I am a victim" thing a little conflicting. If a place was boarded up to prevent damage and make sure people did not enter, then I am to feel bad you carried water up flights of stairs? Seems to me you didn't want to evacuate. Of course there is NO mail!!! It's an EMERGENCY situation!!! There is NO mail delivery during these times despite that whole crap of "Rain, sleet etc...". That's just NOT true. We got hit by F5 tornadoes. No electricity for a week. No mail was delivered. There was no gas stations working!

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JenniferJ5 on 09/19/2018 12:34 AM

Today, a sherriff's deputy knocked on my door and served me with papers, a "temporary no-contact order

Quote:
Posted By JenniferJ5 on 09/19/2018 2:32 AM

The TRO was denied because she didn;t have cause to get one, just trying to push it farther. I am going to meet with the lawyer tomorrow. I've had enough.

Jennifer,

These two statements do not add up.

My understanding is that the police serve an initial TRO (no contact order). This is then brought to court (typically a date on the initial TRO) where both sides state what is going on and the judge decides if a longer TRO is warranted or not.

If one party does not show, then the other party wins (as there is only one story).

Granted, all States have different laws regarding TROs. However, the likelihood of being served an initial TRO and having the hearing all in one day (especially when recovering from a hurricane) seems remote.

Keep your appointment with the attorney. Bring proof of what you have posted here. Heed their advice.

I wish you luck.

JenniferJ5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Sorry, I was so tired last night, I didn't do a very good job explaining. We were under a state of emergency, but not an evacuation order. We knew it was coming here, likely flooding and power loss. I was staying here unless something changed with the storm, and so wanted to ensure I had some bottled water and groceries, supplies, batteries, etc. The door was boarded up by the contractors working on the cement sidewalk outside the front door, likely to prevent rocks from hitting it.

They could have taken the plywood and made a little ramp over the rocks, just like they said they were going to do. But they left it boarded up, and I was seriously concerned about my ability to get my items upstairs by myself, but far more concerned about not being able to get out if there was an emergency.

The Temp order was not granted because I have not done anything to her. I don't know how this whole things works, and am waiting for a call from the attorney this morning.

I don't know how to get the pics to attach!!
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
Tough Love:

If you can not communicate clearly with US, how do you expect to communicate with YOUR directors ?

Perhaps THEY are 'fed up' with YOU !?

eg. Waiting until AFTER they attempted to protect YOUR property to obtain supplies
JenniferJ5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks for the support and beating me up when i am already feeling at the bottom. They served the papers, she applied for a temporary restraining order and it was denied, and they set a hearing for it. That is all I know.

They boarded up the door against fire code, trapping me in the building. It was against the law. They were not boarding it up for the hurricane. They didn't even do any prep for that.

Hope you don't ever need some guidance and I'm fed up with this beat down. Have a great day.
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
Are you saying 'they' boarded up the building in order to trap people inside?

poor poor poor abused Jennifer,

perhaps an ESA would help ?
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
..... I am going to meet with the lawyer tomorrow. .....


Yet the Jabberwocky continues

OVER AND OUT
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
PaaN,

You must stop doing this ...

We are here to help.
GlenM4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 141
Posted:
PaaN you serious? It is not your job to decide if she is telling the truth or not.. she is asking for help, if you cant give any then go back where you came from.

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