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BillB17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 92
Posted:
We are a 400 home single family HOA in South Carolina. Our governing documents state that the "affairs of the Association shall be managed by a Board of Directors".

AT our last Annual Membership Meeting an Amendment to our Covenants was proposed by an Association Member (who was also on the BOD at the time) to require that any proposed capital improvement expenditure for the improvement of existing facilities or construction of new facilities shall be approved by a majority of the Association Membership.

In the annual meeting mailing packet, as an attachment to the ballot, the BOD recommended that the membership vote yes on the amendment, which I do not feel they should have done in the first place.

At any rate, the proposed amendment failed to pass Membership vote.

Subsequently, our BOD passed a "Resolution on Capital Expenditures" which contains the same verbage as the failed proposed Amendment, essentially putting the failed proposed amendment into place.

My question is:

Since our governing documents require the BOD to manage the affairs of the Association, without restriction, and a proposed Amendment to restrict the BOD authority failed to pass the Membership vote, is our BOD within their right to pass such a Resolution which essentially is Amending our governing documents?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bill

A BOD Rule can clarify/supplement Covenants/Bylaws but cannot change them so it would depend if/how they crossed the line, if they did.

A BOD Rule can be changed by the/another BOD.

Please clarify the ruling.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Sounds like they are simply saying they will take cap expenditures to the membership for approval. Since this is, in effect, broadening the opportunity for the community to be involved, it sounds benign.

Are you saying you want to restrict the community from being involved in major capital expenditure decisions?
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
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Quote:

My question is:

Since our governing documents require the BOD to manage the affairs of the Association, without restriction, and a proposed Amendment to restrict the BOD authority failed to pass the Membership vote, is our BOD within their right to pass such a Resolution which essentially is Amending our governing documents?

Well, this is kind of an odd one to me. The governing docs gave them the power to do what they want w/o needing owner approval, and..............they did!
BillB17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 92
Posted:
John - I guess my question is whether an Amendment to the documents is required to place a spending restriction on the BOD when the documents contain no such restriction; or can the BOD place that restriction on themselves and future BODs through the resolution process?

George - I have always been a proponent of letting an elected BOD manage the association and make spending decisions in the best interest of the community as a whole and within their fiduciary duty and duty of care. I am not a fan of placing too many restrictions on a BOD. That being said, I do not have a great deal of pain with this restriction. My main concerns are that we are like most HOAs with a membership that is quite apathetic, especially when it come to participation in electing BOD members, voting on issues, etc. We also, like many associations, have our share of members who feel that "if I don't use it, I don't want it.

For a hypothetical example, tennis courts are proposed for our community. The project cost is $75,000. Combine the apathetic members who don't vote with those who "don't use it so I don't want it" and it becomes difficult to get anything done.

Leaving the decision to a good BOD acting in the best interests of the community eliminates the hurdle of getting the majority of the membership to approve it.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By BillB17 on 08/28/2018 8:10 PM
John - I guess my question is whether an Amendment to the documents is required to place a spending restriction on the BOD when the documents contain no such restriction; or can the BOD place that restriction on themselves and future BODs through the resolution process?

I think John was pretty clear that future boards could nullify a board resolution so would not be limited by it.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
..... Subsequently, our BOD passed a "Resolution on Capital Expenditures" which contains the same verbage as the failed proposed Amendment, essentially putting the failed proposed amendment into place. .....


I believe the INTENT was Resolution on Capital Improvements

NOT on all expenditures which would include routine 'reserve' spending.

It is a GOOD thing to put Capital IMPROVEMENTS requiring expenditure to a membership vote

BUT

a waste of time and effort to vote on preplanned and funded reserve expenditures.

D'OH
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Bill, please tell us your board's or SC's definition of "capital improvements." Can't look it up right now, but in CA, I believe it's anything over 5% of the annual budget and boards should get Owners' vote to approve.

BTW, from what I've seen now & then on this board, and have heard, a fair number of HOAs are getting rid of tennis courts due to expensive upkeep and lack of use.
BillB17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 92
Posted:
Our documents do not define capital improvements, so we would revert to a legal definition of the term. Below is one legal definition.

A capital improvement is the addition of a permanent structural change or the restoration of some aspect of a property that will either enhance the property's overall value, increase its useful life or adapt it to new uses.

The comment about tennis courts was just a hypothetical example.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
The general rule for "capital improvements" is that anything over 5% of the annual budgeted expenses MUST be voted on and approved by a majority of the Owners.

It is the owners money. Sorry, restrictions are there for a reason, unless of course you're running a dictatorship.

Many think Boards are doing what is in the best interest of the association unless they open the closet door.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bill

Most Covenants/Bylaws have a guideline/restriction on any new capital expenditures and/or on any special assessments. Typically requiring at least 2/3rds of all owners, and in many cases 75%, to approve such.

As said, any Rule by a BOD can be overridden by that BOD or any other BOD at a later time.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I don't know if such a resolution is even necessary if your documents say something about special assessments that have to be approved by the homeowners. - check your documents.

Usually homeowner approval for capital improvements would be for adding something new like building a clubhouse or perhaps removing an amenity (like our association did with the swimming pool). However, if you're talking about a capitol improvement like replacing the roofs, why would the homeowners have to approve that? That sort of thing is precisely what the board should be doing and there should be a reserve fund to pay for it.

I suspect the board member who proposed this wanted to ensure people were in the loop and knew what assessments were paying for and that's OK, but if the board is already being transparent with proving regular income;/expense reports, board meeting minutes and holding open meetings, homeowner approval probably isn't necessary. Otherwise you may be opening yourself up to kicking the can down the road for major repairs (which is already a problem because people want to keep assessments "low) or stuff like "why does THAT side of the community get its siding replaced before mine???"

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By SheliaH on 08/29/2018 12:37 PM
I don't know if such a resolution is even necessary if your documents say something about special assessments that have to be approved by the homeowners. - check your documents.

Usually homeowner approval for capital improvements would be for adding something new like building a clubhouse or perhaps removing an amenity (like our association did with the swimming pool). However, if you're talking about a capitol improvement like replacing the roofs, why would the homeowners have to approve that? That sort of thing is precisely what the board should be doing and there should be a reserve fund to pay for it.

I suspect the board member who proposed this wanted to ensure people were in the loop and knew what assessments were paying for and that's OK, but if the board is already being transparent with proving regular income;/expense reports, board meeting minutes and holding open meetings, homeowner approval probably isn't necessary. Otherwise you may be opening yourself up to kicking the can down the road for major repairs (which is already a problem because people want to keep assessments "low) or stuff like "why does THAT side of the community get its siding replaced before mine???"

A capital improvement would be something THAT IS NOT covered in a reserve study, or might be a substantial upgrade, is new or is not a budgeted expense.

Two examples I had/have recently.

Somewhere the association decided to maintain the homeowners mailboxes (not in the CCRs) They had non-locking standard mailboxes costing $25.00. The Board wanted to upgrade to $100.00 locking mailboxes. While it was in the reserve study, the reserves covered the $25.00 version. The difference between the two was more than the 5% of annual budgeted expense and required a secret ballot vote by the Owners to approve. A Board member was not happy.

Same association has two parks. One has electrical and a light, the other doesn't. The components in the one park are in the reserve study. A Board member wanted to add electricity and light to second park. Again, not in reserve study and not a budgeted expense and over 5% of the annual budgeted expense. Again, Owners are required to approve the capital improvement. Same Board member, again, not happy.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Richard's examples are good. Another example of a capital expense is replacing less expensive roofs, in the reserves, with roofing materials that cost a lot more
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Well, I will share something that was pointed out to me when we had this problem of a resolution that was actually an amendment to the by-laws. Someone said was it actually incorporated into the bylaws? Good question. It's recorded at the county as a bylaw change, but it says on the actual paper that it's a Resolution, not a bylaw change.

So any board now or in the future can do away with it, my question is WILL THEY? And if no one does before X amount of time, does that Resolution become binding, having been duly recorded and not legally challenged?

Mostly I decided not to worry about it. After reading that many of the items are in conflict with the DECLARATION itself, I decided no matter how long it sits there it will never be valid. It doesn't even purport to have properly changed the declaration.

In your case, I happen to like the idea of the resolution, I don't think that the BOD should be able to do what you want it to be able to do, but since you don't like it, perhaps it is also a moot point for you if it conflicts with governing documents.

GeorgeH6 (New York)
Posts: 5
Posted:
friends
I am new to this post
we have been in an hoa for six years and have been harassed, lied about, slandered, fined since that time.
we are considering suing the HOA, and we realize this is a big issue.
can anyone give some insight or background experience??
thanks
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
I responded to GeorgeH46 on another thread, asking him to start a new thread.
GeorgeH6 (New York)
Posts: 5
Posted:
how do I do that?
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Top left above thread listing .... “Add New Topic.”
GlenM4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 141
Posted:
This is how I take it, They wanted it in the bylaws , thus other BOD could not change it so easily. It seems like they were trying to add it to the bylaws. but not change a value all ready there. Thus when it failed , they made a resolution. which they can do cause its something under there control anyhow. But the reason they wanted it in bylaws, is the next BOD can easily remove that with just a BOD vote. Where as if it was approved and added to the bylaws then it would take a community vote to change it.

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 08/28/2018 8:04 PM
Well, this is kind of an odd one to me. The governing docs gave them the power to do what they want w/o needing owner approval, and..............they did!

I agree with this. They have the power and authority to manage the association without restriction. They decided to seek owner approval for some expenditures.

The resolution is only as good as long as the board wants to abide by it. It can be rescinded at will and at any time by the board if and when they decide they don't like it.

All of that leads me conclude that the resolution is worth something less than the paper it's printed on.
GlenM4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 141
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Posted By GenoS on 09/02/2018 1:11 PM

All of that leads me conclude that the resolution is worth something less than the paper it's printed on.

one thing is does add, is if it gets changed or removed, it will be seen in meeting minutes, which at least lets everyone in community know it was changed.
BillB17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 92
Posted:
I appreciate all the input from all in this thread. And now my head is swimming trying to interpret and digest all that has been said. Can someone give a yes or no answer to the questions:

Since our declaration authorizes the BOD to manage the affairs of the Association, without restriction, is a resolution to require a majority of members to approve a capital expenditure of more than $50,000 (which places a restriction on the BOD not presently in the declaration) a proper resolution for the BOD to enact?

OR

Does it constitute amending the declaration by resolution?
PaaN
Posts: 219
Posted:
Since our declaration authorizes the BOD to manage the affairs of the Association, without restriction, is a resolution to require a majority of members to approve a capital expenditure of more than $50,000 (which places a restriction on the BOD not presently in the declaration) a proper resolution for the BOD to enact? - NO, but a resolution to have the members approve a capital improvement over $50,000 would be a YES

OR

Does it constitute amending the declaration by resolution? - NO, it is a management decision of the current 'board' (albeit improperly worded) which may be changed in the future by a board as per your declaration.

GlenM4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 141
Posted:
if bylaws do not have a cap in it, then the board can make a resolution to do it.. if bylaws all ready has a cap then they can not do it.
ArtL1 (Florida)
Posts: 140
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Posted By BillB17 on 09/02/2018 5:34 PM
I appreciate all the input from all in this thread. And now my head is swimming trying to interpret and digest all that has been said. Can someone give a yes or no answer to the questions:

Since our declaration authorizes the BOD to manage the affairs of the Association, without restriction, is a resolution to require a majority of members to approve a capital expenditure of more than $50,000 (which places a restriction on the BOD not presently in the declaration) a proper resolution for the BOD to enact?

OR

Does it constitute amending the declaration by resolution?

This board can choose to, and apparently has chosen to, place limits on what they'll do without member input. Next year's board can toss that rule out with a new resolution that they're not going to follow the previous resolution.

The reason to try doing that rule as an amendment is to make it harder for a future board to change the rule (basically, they wouldn't be able to without doing it via amendment).
GlenM4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 141
Posted:
ahh nm i see what you mean, it says with out restrictions. thus no there resolution can not put restrictions on it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By BillB17 on 09/02/2018 5:34 PM
I appreciate all the input from all in this thread. And now my head is swimming trying to interpret and digest all that has been said. Can someone give a yes or no answer to the questions:

Since our declaration authorizes the BOD to manage the affairs of the Association, without restriction, is a resolution to require a majority of members to approve a capital expenditure of more than $50,000 (which places a restriction on the BOD not presently in the declaration) a proper resolution for the BOD to enact?

OR

Does it constitute amending the declaration by resolution?

Yes they can do it and it is not amending the Covenants. They can also undue as can the next BOD so it is basically a useless resolution.
GlenM4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 141
Posted:
Ok so here is a straight answer for you my opinion. Can they do it : yes. Can they enforce it: no. Bylaws > resolutions. Thus when the bylaws and the resolutions conflict you go with the bylaws. (assuming this is in conflict)

The conflict is the bylaws says "with out restrictions" and needing a vote for spending is a restriction. So unless the bylaws says else where that a vote would be needed to spend xxxxxxx Amount. They do not need to.

problem will be what is considered a restriction. For this you may have to go to an lawyer. The lawyer may say adding a xxxxxx amount resolution for capital purchases does not "restrict running the affairs of the HOA".

Hope this helps and is clear
Cheers
Glen

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