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ChrisA11 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Our association had bad debt expense for 2017 in excess of $11,000.00 and this the explanation received by our management company. Seems complex and confusing. This amount of debt is from 4 delinquent owners and our annual maintenance is $190 per quarter. We are in a Florida HOA with 106 homes. Can someone explain this in layman's terms. Thanks in advance.

Please see breakdown below which has been provided by our accounting department.

Maintenance Fees for 2017 $ 3,040.00
Late fees for 2017 400.00
Fines for 2017 6,000.00
Legal fees billed to 4 owners 2,693.15
Prior year balances for owners 4,599.00

Less 1 years fees (3,040.00) this amount is collectable per statute

Total Bad debt allowance for 2017 $ 13,692.15

Less allowance for bad debt 2016 (2,201.41)

Bad debt expense for 2017 11,490.74
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Bad debt expense should only be used once the debt is noncollectable.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Chris

Typically money owed (debt) to the association is carried forward even when not paid. There comes a point when that money (debt) is not collectable and carrying it as owed skews the true financial situation. Eventually that owed money (debt) has got to be written off as in no longer carried as owed.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
This is how I would handle your situation.

Homeowner owes $11K. First, there should be a lien to protect the HOA. If the home is foreclosed on by the bank or the homeowner declared bankruptcy and the sale of the home only paid off certain creditors, then the balance would be written off as a bad debt. I would have this on the agenda for the Board to vote on, I would never do on my own. Once written, you can give to a collection agency and see what they can get. You may get something for their efforts, but something is always better than nothing.
ChrisA11 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you to all for your replies. I have no financial background and this is so confusing. The management company is not forthcoming and not transparent. Anyone reading this, would it be necessary if bad debt is written off that it would require board approval. I see nothing in the minutes.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Two things:

First, if your management company isn't doing a good job of explaining what bad debt is and how it impacts your budget, the manager doesn't know what it is either and is winging it, or something else is going on - I don't like it at all when property manager cannot or refuse to answer questions about the client's budget or anything else related to the association. You might want to ask who prepares your income/expense reports and have that person attend a meeting to explain all this. If the mumbling and non answers from the property manager continue, you might also want to think about getting another one.

Second, I think board approval is appropriate when writing off bad debt - our board always made a motion to write off accounts that would be added to the bad debt line item in the budget. When it shows up in the budget you total the association's income then subtract the bad debt. That number is a more accurate figure showing how much the association is really working with. When I took seminars from the community association institute (CAI) it often recommended that you keep the bed debt figure to 4% or less of the annual budget.

Every other year or so, we'd look at the bad debt line item against the collection activity and see if the number needed to be increased (along with changes to our collection policy to keep delinquencies from getting out of hand in the first place). It CAN be confusing to understand business accounting (which is what this is), so I suggest education. CAI has some useful education materials on budgeting and assessment collections that are designed for new and experienced board members, so you and your colleagues should take a look and invest in a few. Or have your association accountant attend a meeting or two (maybe three) and give you an overview of your budget.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GraceW (Utah)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I really agree to your viewpoint.In simple words Bad debts expense is related to a company's current asset accounts receivable. Bad debts expense is also referred to as uncollectible accounts expense or doubtful accounts expense. Bad debts expense results because a company delivered goods or services on credit and the customer did not pay the amount owed.I want to include that if any sort of assistance is required for the vat,accounting,excise related consequences consult with the https://www.shuraatax.com/tax-residency-certification-assistance.html They are the best ones in this area serving clients globally for more than a decade.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Old post.

Helpful hint - when you scroll through various pages on this website and see a topic you're interested in, please note the date of the original post. If you have a question related to that issue, it's best to start a NEW conversation because things change year to year in HOA land, and what was helpful 2 years ago (or even six months ago) could have changed.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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