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RogerM5 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Is there any legal rule that prevents HOA board members from being paid for their board services??

Our HOA Board Treasure is the real worker of our board and I feel we need to provide a small payment for all the work she now does only as a volunteer.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What do your governing documents say? In our CC&Rs, no payment to boards or officers is allowed. Reimbursement is.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Roger,

Typically governing documents and State property laws prevent Directors from receiving pay for their services.

Governing documents may prevent officers from receiving pay for their services.

Therefore, to answer your question if you could pay the Treasurer for their service, the answer would be probably. However, check your governing documents to see if it's prohibited.

That said, there are major [MAJOR] disadvantages paying an officer for their services. The biggest being that they will no longer be considered a volunteer under the law (they will be an employee). This creates tax liabilities for the Association. It also moves the individual out of the protected class for volunteers under the VOLUNTEER PROTECTION ACT OF 1997 (a federal law).

My advice, tell him/her thank you and then tell them thank you again at the general membership meeting.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You know? No director or officer has even asked to be reimbursed for computer paper, cartridges, etc., at all and it does add up, at least on my HOA board.

You ARE lucky to have such a devoted officer and supporting her any way you can would be a good thing. If she actually goes to banks, for instance, or runs other errands, make sure she's reimbursed for mileage.
CjC
Posts: 210
Posted:
Our docs state that no director may receive payment. Our treasurer is not a director, just an officer and she bills us for her time. She is issued a tax statement at year end.
RogerM5 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
great advise and comments -- pls keep them coming!!

Our HOA ByLaws does state that Board members ( and the
Treasure is one) will not be reimbursed for their services.
Reimbursement is authorized for personal expenses for support of the HOA - e.g. normally printer ink, paper, and stamps.

As a new Board member, I have opened up what is now a hornet nest as I felt the ave 40 hr per month the Treasure works to service the HOA should receive some payment.

One board member said she thought Texas laws prevents non-profit board members from being paid but I have yet to find any such law or anyone who can provide me the law code.

again, appreciate all comments to help me determine if payment is legal for our non-profit HOA!!!
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
If your bylaws do not permit Board members to receive compensation, it doesn't matter what the state law says. Your bylaws do not permit it. Either gather the support to amend the bylaws or drop the subject.

It's very nice that you want to compensate this board member. Perhaps you personally could take her to lunch or buy her some flowers, or a gift card. If you're not willing to spend your own money to show appreciation, you shouldn't be willing to spend your neighbors' money.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerM5 on 08/16/2018 6:19 AM
great advise and comments -- pls keep them coming!!

Our HOA ByLaws does state that Board members ( and the
Treasure is one) will not be reimbursed for their services.
Reimbursement is authorized for personal expenses for support of the HOA - e.g. normally printer ink, paper, and stamps.

As a new Board member, I have opened up what is now a hornet nest as I felt the ave 40 hr per month the Treasure works to service the HOA should receive some payment.

One board member said she thought Texas laws prevents non-profit board members from being paid but I have yet to find any such law or anyone who can provide me the law code.

again, appreciate all comments to help me determine if payment is legal for our non-profit HOA!!!

Even if it is legal it isn't a good idea. What do you want to pay her, btw? A salary? Credit on her assessments? Do you have an accountant through the MC?
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
Yeah I would not pay her even if you could for all the reasons stated above. I'll even add another one: Some homeowner some day will get super mad and payments to board members reeks of corruption. I was a board president for a very long time but stepped down and now am just a regular homeowner. Knowing what I know I would absolutely go after the board for paying members.

For good directors and officers being on the board is the labor of love for better or for worse. If your treasurer is doing a great job then make sure she gets the good press she deserves. Take a moment during every meeting to thank her and show your appreciation.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
As Barbara points out, your bylaws are the determining force here. jared's remarks are good ones too.
RogerM5 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
That's where this review started -- the board was going to revised the ByLaws to allow for payment to the Treasure and allow the membership to vote on it at next annual membership meeting. But, our review is first to determine if it's legal to pay the treasure and other factors that may be involved.

your comments are providing valued insight!!!
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
Posted:
There is no law against it in Texas.

"Can a nonprofit corporation pay a salary to its officers, directors and/or employees?
Yes. Any corporation may pay reasonable compensation for services rendered to the corporation. Note that the Secretary of State does not determine what is considered reasonable compensation. A paper presented in 1993 at the IRS Continuing Education Program for Exempt Organization Specialists discusses reasonable compensation. This paper is available on the IRS web site (PDF, 116kb)."

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/corp/nonprofitfaqs.shtml#NPC6
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Unless prohibited by Texas HOA law, and using the scenario taken from the Bylaws of a Texas law, I don't see why not.

This HOA requires 7 Directors, of which only a majority need to be Members. Only the President and Secreatry are required to be Directors.

So you could hire a bookkeeper, not a Member, to serve as Treasurer who then would have no vote on Board decisions.

They would be given a 1099 for tax purposes.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Roger

I am in complete agreement with others who have commented: paying a member of the Board for services performed (not reimbursements) is not a good idea. I would extend that to using a homeowner as a contractor, especially one who is in a position of having access to the accounts of other owners.

I'd like to ask some basic questions regarding your association: how many homes are there, do you have a management company, are they full service or financials only, and are you still under developer control?

As a former member of Boards in California and Texas, as the president of the sub-association in which we reside, and as a co-owner of a property management company, I have to ask what work activities the treasurer is performing which requires 40 hours of her time each month? You most certainly should express thanks and gratitude to her however, even if your owners remit monthly assessment payments to her and she does all the banking and accounting, I cannot see how that would take that many hours per month even with 200-300 homes in the association. What accounting system is being used?

Is she managing the delinquent accounts/collections processes? If so, what number of accounts on average are past due/delinquent.

I'd like to suggest you and the other members of the Board take a step back and look at the activities she is performing before you modify the Bylaws. Take a view two, three, four years down the road. How likely is she to remain in this position? What is the likelihood of finding a replacement when that time comes. Would you be better served to outsource the accounting functions to a completely independent third party bookkeeper or a management company?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I was thinking about questions similar to Bill's as 10 hours/wk. seems like too much.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
If she is acting as billing services, collector, bookkeeper, etc. then those aren't Treasurer's duties. Those duties of the Treasurer should be in the bylaws. Primary is the reporting to the board the financial status of the corporation, monthly.

Many HOAs have a bookkeeper who gives those figures to the Treasurer. Some have never written a check!

All this depends on the size of your HOA and the services required.

We paid our Treasurer for the extra hours she worked, mostly around assessment billing and collecting time.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Sue

According to CAI, and their frequently referenced Board Member Toolkit, the Treasurer's position may include anything and everything to do with the association finances, including bookkeeping.

As long as the person is just an officer and has no Board vote, I don't see a problem, again, as long as the community knows what's going on.

As we don't know the size of the HOA, have no idea how much time would be required. Let's say it is 200 units and you pay $10.00 an hours, I think that is a bargain. Of course, there would be a number of other items to consider also.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerM5 on 08/16/2018 6:19 AM
As a new Board member, I have opened up what is now a hornet nest as I felt the ave 40 hr per month the Treasure works to service the HOA should receive some payment.

My advice would be don't go there regardless of whether or not it's legal. Besides what others have said there are likely ramifications for your association insurance policies (D&O covers volunteers only?) and even your indemnification obligations. Not to mention the nastiness that will eventually surface when some owners decide that she's getting paid too much.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Roger states that she is both a director and an officer, Richard.

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