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CathyT1 (Washington)
Posts: 68
Posted:
Hi,

Me and a neighbor friend requested financials of our HOA. Since our review, we have about $4,000.00 remaining in our funds and about $4,000.00 in our reserves. We have some homeowners that have not paid their dues (approx. 4 out of 75) and about $1,000.00 in legal fees associated with that.

It is only August, and eventually we will run out of monies for the remainder of the year.

Has any one experienced this? What happens when you run out of money and when the Board has not properly spent the money?

Thanks.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
CathyT1 - First I'd write the HOA Board with your analysis and request to form a finance committee. Second I'd ask them to assist you in determining if your analysis is correct. You will need to determine the anticipated expenses such as outstanding balances on contracts and project cumulated revenues between now and the end of your budget year. Does your budget year run from Jan through Dec?
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
A 4 out of 75 delinquency is basically a 5% rate. While that can certainly put a strain on an Association's finances over an extended period of time, you have not indicated how much your assessments are, nor how long these folks have been delinquent.
It seems that your request for financials was promptly responded to, so perhaps your next question can be - what efforts are being made to collect from the delinquent owners.
75 units is quite substantial, and aligning with a $4,000 reserve fund, raises the question - what exactly are your common elements?
Do you think that perhaps your assessment needs to be raised?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Question: Is 75 units your association's capacity? Or do you have any units that are still not sold?

In the early years of our association, we frequently went to year-end in the red, mostly because we were not at peak capacity, there were a lot of outstanding units and the developer owned the others, so we were a little under-funded.

For a few years the board members paid their dues early in order to take care of that.

(our developer turned the association over way earlier than they usually do.)
CathyT1 (Washington)
Posts: 68
Posted:
Hi,

My community is approx. 2 years old. 75 homes is the maximum and bought. 4 homeowners have not paid their annual dues, due back in January. Since then, PM has used the assistance of an attorney to collect - thereby representing the $1,000.00 expense.

Other than trying to collect on these deliquent owners - we have no other income coming in and further expenses to be expended. The likelihood of collecting is probably very small.

My friend has written to the Board today explaining our concerns and the financials, and we are awaiting a response.

How does an HOA operate in the red? This is new to me and we're not sure if reserves can be used, or ....
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Look at your docs - Usually if someone is in arrears over 60days, the bylaws specifically say that the owner's privileges can be revoked. We established a collection policy so that if after 60 days, a final letter is sent to the owner. If no response after 10 days (I believe), it goes to collections agency and they get their money on top of ours. We will get ALL of what is owed to us. The collection agency does not just a percentage. When the 60 day final letter is sent, it specifies that privileges will be suspended, and at 90days that's it. No Vote, No Pool Priv, No Reserved parking, No access to Visitor Parking. These are obviously most townhomes with a few single family. Then we tow. We've only had to tow once.

We also raised the late fee to $25 as well.

DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Funny you should mention towing; on the HOAtalk main page today, there is an article entitled DC: Beware Of Condo Association Bylaws
http://www.nbc4.com/consumer/13910488/detail.html
which is about towing.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
DaneC - You guys always have the info that I'm looking for. Someone else mentioned this and I've been looking for the article for 2 days now. They say that she was only 2 weeks in arrears. Now THAT IS rediculous. As you know, in our HOA, we don't take action until after 90days, and believe me, it works just like the Mortgage Company when someone is arrears. If you call your Mortgage Co and work with them, they work with you. It's the same thing here. If any of our residents call us, we work with them. This Condo in Maryland might be operating legally, but they are certainly aren't IMO being reasonable. Now I'm really questioning the truth here about the owner only being 2 weeks late. Most of the docs that I've seen, usually have a 60 day clause which says that privileges can't be suspended until then. Attorneys will tell you that if the resident has any disabilities and you're restricting access to the home; you're looking to be sued. Before anyone suspends privileges, they should know for a fact that no members are disabled. 2 WEEKS! That's nutso!
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Cathy, it is the Board's decision on how to collected delinquent accounts, not the PM's. IMO, it is foolish to spend $1000 in attorney fees to collect delinquent accounts, even if the delinquent parties ultimately pay the cost. Your Board and PM are obviously doing a poor job of budgeting if you will not have sufficient funds to complete the year. You will either have to use reserve funds of do a special assessment, which should be considered since your reserve funds are miniscal.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
CathyT1 - When does your budget year begin? Say for example it is from May to May and you are basing your calculations on what you will have from Jan - Dec. There will be five more months of revenue. The money you are trying to collect from the delinquent accounts is one part of the problem. The other hurdle is to raise maintenance to adequately cover expenses, sounds like re-budgeting is in order. You should have income coming in each month in collecting maintenance. Unless you only bill once a year rather than monthly. Is that the case?
JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
Joe, Cathy's response earlier on indicated to me that they just collect once a year so that should simplify matters a bit.

Cathy, I wouldn't write off the money owed, it is practically always collected and attorney fees on top of it. In our case often the attorney fees nearly double the amount of assessments. A judge does not have to award all the attorney fees however, so it is important that they are reasonable. It seems like they are at $250/case now and given that attorneys are more than $250/hour normally it doesn't seem like that is horribly excessive.

As someone else said your board seems to be cooperating so I too would discuss the issue with them -- whether they are worried or not, and if not why not. Often developers set the assessments very low, and in the beginning the association certainly is cash poor if they try to live within that assessment or only raise it by the prescribed amount allowed without homeowner approval every year. It could be you have to bite the bullet and raise assessments. If you are worried that not everyone can pay that lump sum have them pay semi-annually or quarterly.

On the towing, I read that article also. Two weeks late seemed pretty quick on the trigger. It appears that those people have it as their first response. To heck with the letters! The video of the attorney -- he did not dispute the two weeks. There was another condo at Watergate that did the towing for infractions around here, and a woman got mugged walking to her condo which she had to do because she was not allowed to park there. There was some sort of lawsuit saying the condo was liable for that as they had prevented her parking near her unit. I don't know how that turned out eventually but clearly it would be a concern.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
... to dovetail on Judith's post regarding collections, attorney's fees, and Judges - your local courthouse (or even your attorney) should be able to provide some general statistics on recovery of attorney's fees by the local courts. For my jurisdiction, there is a requirement for the attorney to enter a sworn affidavit, where the Judge the decides the appropriate "fees" regarding the judgement. For us the average has been a solid 20-25% of the attorney's fees. I say all of this because in a previous question that I posted the folks here helped me develop a collections hiearchy, which took into account the issues that Roger raised - making sure that your collections activities are in sync with your "ROI" (return on investment, i.e. cost of postage/letters, certified mail, etc).

On the towing issue, I agree two weeks is extremely excessive and predatory. I hope that they address "due process" in that community - otherwise they may be looking a costly legal fight. I just cannot see or understand how imposing an additional fee to the resident (most often towing is greater than monthly fees), to "motivate" them to make good on a condo/HOA assessment? Fully agree that collection of dues and collections of past due amounts should be consistent and aggressive - but they also must be fair and balanced (not to mention with some levels of common sense). I would suspect that since the property's "attorney" is quoting the legality of their actions - that the board may not have drafted this policy - but nonetheless fell "lock/step" into allowing it.

JudithC (Virginia)
Posts: 253
Posted:
Interesting idea to check with the courthouse on fees awarded -- why didn't I think of that? I suppose that only works when the case itself is recorded? We had one judge here who used to award fees on the percentage of the amount owed. While fair on the face of it, often a condo's monthly fee is more than our yearly fee. So, this rule of thumb really worked against the HOA associations with no amenities. In fact I got a legislator to propose a fix to it (opposed by CAI BTW). Thankfully the judge retired, that issue went away and we started collecting all of our fees. If we had to take additional measures to collect, however, such as attaching bank accounts, we often didn't break even.

I still think it is important to collect, a sound collection policy really encourages homeowners to pay on time.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
To Cathy,
I, also, would be very concerned about the small amount of money youu are apparently assessing each moth/year. Not know the specifics I offer the general comment that here may be a ton of HOA's that are not charging a realistic assessment. Just an example: A small tornado or a high wind can wreck distruction through out the neighborhood. All kinds of natural disasters can put a real strian on the HOA in just cclean up costs. There are companies you can contract with the will come in and do the clean up. The cost to retain them is minimal and the service that provide (at a cost) in an emergency is nice to have. I would think each HOA would havee a long term plan and also a reserve study if you are apparently not collecting enough to go year to year. The problem actually lies with your board and as a member it is your responsibility to proptect your investment. Do what is necessary.

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