ChrisB4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 175
Posts: 175
Posted:
Little Background,
Our By-Laws were recently re-written and are a drastic improvement over the old By-Laws, not perfect mind you, but a big improvement.
Unfortunately our CCR's are not so fortunate. They are hopelessly ambiguous and our lawyer often says that since our CC&R's don't define what a rule often stipulates that we must refer to case law on whatever the topic is were discussing.
Short example....
Our CCR's prevent "multi family dwellings". But since our CC&R's don't define what a "multi family dwelling" actually is, we have to pay a lawyer to tell us what it is (3 or more families or unrelated persons who rent from a single owner). All of this so we can restrain our rogue president from asking a Woman in her 20's to evict her college roommate. Please, don't ask!!
All of this leads me to my question....
As Board Vice president I have asked the Board to consider creating a document that I call "best practices". It would be a working document to cover topics that aren't covered by By-Laws, CC&R's, State Law, and in our case Roberts Rules as they take precedence if none of the former speaks to the issue.
After all of these documents there is still plenty to address.
We have a rule that states "no above ground swimming pools". However, since the CC&R's don't define what a "above ground swimming pool" actually is, we took the time as a board to research and came to the conclusion that any inflatable pool under 60sq ft (roughly 10x6) and 22" in depth, or 8' around 22" deep could be considered a "wading" pool and would not violate the above ground pool rule. There were a few other stipulations, but you get the point. The goal here is to make a decision among ourselves. We posted a public agenda and invited the public to speak before making our decision.
This would be an example of a "best practice" or precedent. It saves us money by not having to run to the lawyer every 5 min and if kept in one place could help future boards in making decisions, and eventually could be used to help amend our CC&R's. I realize that there are times when a lawyer is unavoidable, but my hope is to create something we can all agree on and prevent some of the unnecessary calls to Mr. $500 an hour.
Obviously, anytime we pay the lawyer to make a decision of this kind would also be included in the document.
The only thing I'm unsure of is, if the Board I'm on now votes to adopt and follow these "rules", what happens if a new member comes on the Board, are they obligated to follow them? Would we have to re-vote each "best practice" over again? Is this whole process hopeless and should I just accept the fact that our legal bills are going to be sky high?
Does anyone else have something like this?
Thanks....
Our By-Laws were recently re-written and are a drastic improvement over the old By-Laws, not perfect mind you, but a big improvement.
Unfortunately our CCR's are not so fortunate. They are hopelessly ambiguous and our lawyer often says that since our CC&R's don't define what a rule often stipulates that we must refer to case law on whatever the topic is were discussing.
Short example....
Our CCR's prevent "multi family dwellings". But since our CC&R's don't define what a "multi family dwelling" actually is, we have to pay a lawyer to tell us what it is (3 or more families or unrelated persons who rent from a single owner). All of this so we can restrain our rogue president from asking a Woman in her 20's to evict her college roommate. Please, don't ask!!
All of this leads me to my question....
As Board Vice president I have asked the Board to consider creating a document that I call "best practices". It would be a working document to cover topics that aren't covered by By-Laws, CC&R's, State Law, and in our case Roberts Rules as they take precedence if none of the former speaks to the issue.
After all of these documents there is still plenty to address.
We have a rule that states "no above ground swimming pools". However, since the CC&R's don't define what a "above ground swimming pool" actually is, we took the time as a board to research and came to the conclusion that any inflatable pool under 60sq ft (roughly 10x6) and 22" in depth, or 8' around 22" deep could be considered a "wading" pool and would not violate the above ground pool rule. There were a few other stipulations, but you get the point. The goal here is to make a decision among ourselves. We posted a public agenda and invited the public to speak before making our decision.
This would be an example of a "best practice" or precedent. It saves us money by not having to run to the lawyer every 5 min and if kept in one place could help future boards in making decisions, and eventually could be used to help amend our CC&R's. I realize that there are times when a lawyer is unavoidable, but my hope is to create something we can all agree on and prevent some of the unnecessary calls to Mr. $500 an hour.
Obviously, anytime we pay the lawyer to make a decision of this kind would also be included in the document.
The only thing I'm unsure of is, if the Board I'm on now votes to adopt and follow these "rules", what happens if a new member comes on the Board, are they obligated to follow them? Would we have to re-vote each "best practice" over again? Is this whole process hopeless and should I just accept the fact that our legal bills are going to be sky high?
Does anyone else have something like this?
Thanks....