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GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Hi everyone

The HOA board transferred money out of a special reserve fund to the operating fund to pay the Insurance bill.

Special Reserve Fund - This was for Repair and Replacement of siding only.

Board didn't take a vote by either the board or members or do the proper papers to make it a loan from the reserve fund.

I've done some research and think this makes it income when put in the Operating fund for a Non for Profit.

I also can't find any papers that show that the HOA doesn't need to file with the IRS every year. I'm told we don't need to. Only, filing is with the State and that is every so many years I think it 5 or 7 years. This comes from the Attorney!

Insurance policy went up by 2 thousand dollars this year and the new board was left with a drained Operating fund from the Truck lawsuit the old board lost. I think they left with about $300 dollars in the account and Insurance and Landscaping coming due.

Thanks,
Guy
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
Posted:
What is the question or concern?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
I am not sure about the rules as they apply to HOA's in Ohio, but borrowing from the reserves is not an uncommon practice.

In California, HOA Boards, if they do borrow from the reserves, must vote on that action in an open meeting and MUST have a plan to repay within 12 months. A short term special assessment might be needed and should be part of the plan.

It is not income, going from the reserves to the operating. For the most part, reserves are funded from the operating account as a expense line item. Interest on funds, whether operating or reserve, is subject to taxes. HOA's must file taxes with the IRS, either as a Corporation or Homeowner Association. State rules are state specific.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Hi Richard

At a board meeting, the Vice just said she was transferring money from the reserve fund to the operating fund to pay for the Insurance bill. There was no member meeting or any plan on how to pay it back it just was done. The old board also took money the same way to pay some of the truck lawsuit also with no plan to pay it back. Neither had the member vote.

I can't find any 1120 or 1120H in any of our files and do believe the law firm told our Vice we didn't have to because we are Non for Profit.

Thanks,
Guy
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Hi Jared

That is wrong and should be done the right way.

Thanks,
Guy
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GuyM1 on 08/04/2018 9:11 AM
Hi Richard

At a board meeting, the Vice just said she was transferring money from the reserve fund to the operating fund to pay for the Insurance bill. There was no member meeting or any plan on how to pay it back it just was done. The old board also took money the same way to pay some of the truck lawsuit also with no plan to pay it back. Neither had the member vote.

I can't find any 1120 or 1120H in any of our files and do believe the law firm told our Vice we didn't have to because we are Non for Profit.

Thanks,
Guy

As I mentioned, I don't know what OHIO rules are for HOA's, can only give you a perspective of what I would go based on our rules.

As far as what the attorney may or may not have said, the HOA has to file with the IRS. Filing a 1120-H gives the HOA some exemptions on the income they receive. 1120 and 1120-H have different tax rates. I also prepare taxes for HOA's and none pay any taxes.

I know there can be be severe consequences if you don't file state taxes, but I don't know the consequences of not filing federal returns.
PainintheA
Posts: 77
Posted:
they may penalize you a portion of the money that you do not owe

{xyz times zero equals zero)

they 'generally' choose not to pursue non-filing if no money payable (either way)

HOWEVER

the law requires filing annually - the attorney is guilty of malpractice (if actually quoted accurately)
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Hi Pain

The Vice told me that and will ask again to get an accurate answer to that. I would like to go to the Bar and make a complaint against them for several things they have done.

Thanks,
Guy
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
GuyM1,

-- How do you propose the insurance bill be paid?

-- How do you propose the bill from the truck lawsuit be paid?

-- What do your governing documents say exactly about Special Reserve Funds? What legally requires the board to use the money in the Special Reserve Fund only for siding?

-- Weren't you recently elected to the Board? Are you still on the Board?

-- Regarding making complaints about attorney conduct: My understanding is that the various state disciplinary boards generally act only when the complaint is from a client of the attorney's. I believe state disciplinary boards are particularly averse to acting on a complaint from someone who was in a legal conflict with the attorney's client.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Hi Augustin

I resigned as the President to have no conflict with the new suit. But in the few weeks, I did a lot of good.

As for the Insurance and the Truck bill. The Board should have assessed everyone the total cost of the Truck suit which would have made the Insurance bill, not an issue. This also would have made for paying other bills.

The Special Fund was done by the other board and I understand that it can be used by doing a loan from it. But it needs to be done properly!

As for making a complaint about the Lawyer I feel I'm a member of the Association that the Lawyer works for so I say I'm the client as well.

Thanks,
Guy
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GuyM1 on 08/05/2018 1:01 PM
As for making a complaint about the Lawyer I feel I'm a member of the Association that the Lawyer works for so I say I'm the client as well.


You're not the client. The HOA is. The difference is significant.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 08/05/2018 1:04 PM
Posted By GuyM1 on 08/05/2018 1:01 PM
As for making a complaint about the Lawyer I feel I'm a member of the Association that the Lawyer works for so I say I'm the client as well.


You're not the client. The HOA is. The difference is significant.

I agree.

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