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JoyN (North Carolina)
Posts: 10
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Our Restrictive Covenants allow "dogs, cats or other household pets, not to exceed a total of two (2), only one of which may be a dog." A homeowner moved in with one pet --- a dog --- which is an emotional support animal under FHA/Section 504. He has a prescription form from the doctor, which he will provide.

Then a few months ago, he added another dog to his household, which exceeded the number of dogs allowed by the covenants. He responded that he does have two dogs, but one of them is an emotional support animal.

My contention as a board member is that his first dog was presented to us as the emotional support animal. The second dog violates the covenants that prohibit more than one dog.

The other board members want to seek legal advice because they've heard somewhere that emotional support animals are not classified as "pets" so technically, the homeowner is in compliance with the restrictive covenants because he has only one "pet" and that's the new dog he added a few months ago.

Can we legally require this homeowner to remove the second dog, since he already has one dog, which is his service animal?
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
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The ESA dog is not a pet and doesn't count towards the limit of total pets or dogs.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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As it now stands, they have one pet, the second dog they acquired. Don't waste association money on an legal opinion.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
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And he can still add a cat or another sort of second pet. Just no more dogs.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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I actually think you have an "unfair" Covenant. There are no many dogs and cats that actually get allow with one another. In addition, many people my wife, are allergic to cats, because of the shedding of hair. We have two small dogs, both hypoallergenic.
JenniferG11 (Texas)
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Posted By RichardP13 on 07/24/2018 8:50 PM
I actually think you have an "unfair" Covenant. There are no many dogs and cats that actually get allow with one another. In addition, many people my wife, are allergic to cats, because of the shedding of hair. We have two small dogs, both hypoallergenic.

I came back to the thread to say something similar. I don't understand rules like this. If one can have a dog and a cat, let them have two dogs instead. My neighbor's two dogs are smaller than cats! Would be weird if she couldn't have gotten the second one. They are bonded.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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It sounds cleverly worded ...the intent seems to be to limit to one dog or cat 🙂
JenniferG11 (Texas)
Posts: 667
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 07/24/2018 9:16 PM
It sounds cleverly worded ...the intent seems to be to limit to one dog or cat 🙂

No, because you can have two cats or other types of pets. They want to limit total number of dogs, I guess.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 07/24/2018 9:16 PM
It sounds cleverly worded ...the intent seems to be to limit to one dog or cat 🙂

Cleverly worded, REALLY?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By JenniferG11 on 07/24/2018 9:21 PM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 07/24/2018 9:16 PM
It sounds cleverly worded ...the intent seems to be to limit to one dog or cat 🙂


No, because you can have two cats or other types of pets. They want to limit total number of dogs, I guess.


I think you hit the nail on the head! But would contend with others potentially not fair and balanced with regards to cats (or other animals) vs dogs. Hmmm ... wonder what a Judge would think if ever challenged in Court.
JoyN (North Carolina)
Posts: 10
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This is not a rule; it is a covenant recorded at the court house and referenced in the deed to every property in our townhouse development. Years ago one of the owners who wanted to add a second dog spearheaded a movement to get the restrictive covenants changed to allow two dogs. The covenants and bylaws require that a two-thirds majority of the homeowners must approve any amendments to the restrictive covenants. A homeowners' meeting was held to discuss the proposed amendment and a ballot was mailed to all homeowners, but the proposed amendment failed to pass because there were not enough affirmative votes returned.

The board has to frequently address problems with dogs in our community: barking, pet waste not picked up, improper storage and disposal of pet waste, unleashed dogs, dogs lunging at people, etc. All cats must be indoor cats, and we have no problems with cats.
JaredC (Texas)
Posts: 264
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IMHO this is ridiculous. Pick your battles. I was an HOA president for more than a decade and we have several homeowners "violating" a similar clause in our covenants and it never once crossed my mind to try to enforce such a ridiculous standard.

Unfortunately I can't really think of a way to say this without sounding needlessly aggressive so let me just express what my own internal conversation has been on the subject: Jared, are you being a little Hitler by trying to enforce this rule? Jared, so what they have two or three animals? Jared, be a good neighbor and stay out of their business. Jared, there is such a thing as an overbearing government so don't be the problem.

So in conclusion just take my opinion for what it is and make your best decision accordingly. Good luck!
TimM11
Posts: 354
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Posted By JoyN on 07/25/2018 5:35 AM
This is not a rule; it is a covenant recorded at the court house and referenced in the deed to every property in our townhouse development. Years ago one of the owners who wanted to add a second dog spearheaded a movement to get the restrictive covenants changed to allow two dogs. The covenants and bylaws require that a two-thirds majority of the homeowners must approve any amendments to the restrictive covenants. A homeowners' meeting was held to discuss the proposed amendment and a ballot was mailed to all homeowners, but the proposed amendment failed to pass because there were not enough affirmative votes returned.

The issue here is that ESAs are legally not considered pets, and therefore the homeowner's ESA does not count as a pet towards your HOA's limitations. They could get a cat and a second dog and still be in compliance. Plus, it sounds like they've covered themselves as far as documentation goes. Your covenants cannot supercede federal law.
CjC
Posts: 210
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Imagine 2 blind people living in a house. Would you tell one that he or she can not have a guide dog because there is a limit of 1 dog. No, these dogs are protected.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Our covnenants allow 2 dogs, 2 cats or 1 dog & 1 cat in our l elevator building. Most condos have two occupants. Many residents have dogs and those who do often have two dogs.

So...what most are saying is if a condo here has 2 ESA dogs, they could also get two dogs, right?

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By JoyN on 07/25/2018 5:35 AM
This is not a rule; it is a covenant recorded at the court house and referenced in the deed to every property in our townhouse development. Years ago one of the owners who wanted to add a second dog spearheaded a movement to get the restrictive covenants changed to allow two dogs. The covenants and bylaws require that a two-thirds majority of the homeowners must approve any amendments to the restrictive covenants. A homeowners' meeting was held to discuss the proposed amendment and a ballot was mailed to all homeowners, but the proposed amendment failed to pass because there were not enough affirmative votes returned.

The board has to frequently address problems with dogs in our community: barking, pet waste not picked up, improper storage and disposal of pet waste, unleashed dogs, dogs lunging at people, etc. All cats must be indoor cats, and we have no problems with cats.

I take it you don't like dogs, that's a shame.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Not everyone's the same :-)

I like dogs - one dog, that is, at a time ...

Dogs that bark incessantly - not at all.

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