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RodneyG (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Iam in Washington State I have a lot in develement with 100 lots. About 6 years a go the house owners changed the CC about the size of the homes with 42 votes saying that only home owners ONLY have a vote. The CC say 67% needed to change.
Also they do not send me any thing about meetings or dues ect. The ones with the houses run the show.
Last night I was by my lot there was a big seimi truck parked on the road. The president came running out asking all these question to the driver. The road is a county road not the developments.
What can be done about KINGS like this.
Oh one lot owner said that they have lots of money and they will sue you if you do not play there game.
Thanks
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
RondeyG,
I am afraid Rodney, you will have to start with your Documents.
It may be a pain but if you want an answer to your issues, you need to know the rules of the game. It is long, hard, boring work for the most part. You need to state at the State HOA laws and work down from there.
I would venture a guess that you are looking at 50 to 80 hours of work.
Your question; "What can be done about KINGS like this?", will require at least that much to start.
Also, your position as stated; "Also, THEY do not send me, etc. needs to be adjusted. The "they" you refer to is also "you."
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Rodney, how do you know the CC&Rs were amended with only 42% approval? If you are correct, the filed amendment can be contested - usually within 1 year. To get correspondence send a letter to the Board advising you have not been receiving any correspondence, provide your address, and request it. Perhaps you have not filed an up-to-date address with the HOA.

KINGS?? I think it is great to having owners paying attention to what is going on in the neighborhood.

It is not "playing a game"; it is enforcing violations to restrictions. Your choice of words suggests you may not want to live in a Covenant Controlled Community.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
RodneyG:
A few of your comments raise some questions in my mind. It is correct that only 'owners' have the ability to vote and/or run for office in an HOA.
Are you a unit/home owner? or perhaps a renter? Are you personally responsible for paying dues to the HOA?
KevinK1 (< Not Specified >)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Most counties have laws preventing big semi trucks from residential conty streets unless they are there for delivery only. You see, big trucks like that damage residential streets because they are not rated for the loads. If a big dual wheel truck were parked in my neighborhood I might ask the person why the truck was there and then call the police if the truck wasn't making a delivery.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KevinK1 on 08/15/2007 1:30 PM
Most counties have laws preventing big semi trucks from residential conty streets unless they are there for delivery only. You see, big trucks like that damage residential streets because they are not rated for the loads. If a big dual wheel truck were parked in my neighborhood I might ask the person why the truck was there and then call the police if the truck wasn't making a delivery.

I agree with KevinK1’s post regarding the load specifications on residential streets. The streets in my community(here in Georgia)are also owned and maintained by the county and it is against the law to have a vehicle of a particular weight driving on or parked for an extended period of time unless it is a local deliver as earlier stated.

Our governing documents prohibit semi-trucks and motor homes to be driving in or from parking on the streets (residential) for more than a 24 hour period.

Extremely difficult to enforce when the streets are county owned, but we were advised by the Police that we could enforce our documents, we just can’t not tow or boot a vehicle, which is understandable. We wouldn’t want a guest’s vehicle towed or booted for parking in the street over night.

The board has called the police on several occasions. We’ve provided the police with the address of the repeat offended, with a description of the vehicle, even the plate number and the problem is usually resolved.

It certainly will be difficult if the offender is only found in violation every once in a great while, regardless if they are/aren’t a repeat violator, I would send them a violation notice advising them that parking a vehicle (of that weight) is against the governing documents as well as city regulations. Describe vehicle in violation and what day, be precise, perhaps even take a picture of the vehicle would be good proof to have, if ever needed to verify (There isn't a need to mail it to them, but to have it, just in case)

Send out a violation notice immediately. Put an end to this problem quickly will save your community time and money, in the long run.

Basically warn them of the violation and inform them of the fines they will accrue if they are reported of the same violation in the future.

Best of luck.
Keep us posted.
Chuck W.
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CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
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Posted By RodneyG on 08/15/2007 6:07 AM
Iam in Washington State I have a lot in develement with 100 lots. About 6 years a go the house owners changed the CC about the size of the homes with 42 votes saying that only home owners ONLY have a vote. The CC say 67% needed to change.
Also they do not send me any thing about meetings or dues ect. The ones with the houses run the show.
Last night I was by my lot there was a big seimi truck parked on the road. The president came running out asking all these question to the driver. The road is a county road not the developments.
What can be done about KINGS like this.
Oh one lot owner said that they have lots of money and they will sue you if you do not play there game.
Thanks

RodneyG,

I’m attempting to do research to provide you with a state law in regards to weight restrictions on residential roads in the great state of Washington. With very little success, however I have found a link that may be of help to you. http://www.mrsc.org/Subjects/Legal/nuisances/rvstor.aspx#About

Perhaps knowing what city you reside in may also help us to help you further.

Chuck W


Charles E. Wafer Jr.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I'm confused about one thing (well, more than one really, but this is a start):

You say that it was changed "saying that only home owners ONLY have a vote. "

So, are you implying that because you have only a LOT and not a HOME, that you think you aren't eligible to vote on things?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Michele, it is a figure of speech. To be technically correct the CC&R refer to lots or units with the owners of them being eligible to vote.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Roger, I know that. I'm just not entirely sure the original poster does.

He's concerned about not receiving notices anymore and I was just confused because it appears that he was saying that at that vote, only homeowners were allowed to vote.

Which might explain why he stopped receiving notices?

I dunno. It was a hard post to read. so I will back out of this discussion.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Here's another reason why I think he's somehow saying that he thinks LOT owners do not have any say in the association anymore:

" Also they do not send me any thing about meetings or dues ect. The ones with the houses run the show."

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
MicheleD: I agree with you, as you can see from my response to the poster. However, he has not replied with any further info.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Yea, hope he comes back soon. I'd really like to know if an association actually did that, changed the CC&Rs to benefit only home owners and not allow lot owners input/vote, etc.

Weird.

KevinK1 (< Not Specified >)
Posts: 34
Posted:
I have a suspicion that RodneyG is parking his semi in the neighborhood where he owns a lot but doesn't have a house built. He can't park the semi where he lives because there's no room. Now he's upset because the "kings" are complaining about his semi.
RodneyG (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I was out of town.
The lots with homes on them voted and they say the lots with no homes have no vote.
They do not send any information about meetings ect. to me.
The truck parked on the road is not mine. What I was trying to say was ,a guy was parked on a county road unloading and the president runs over and asked all these questions. These roads are not part of the development the truck has a right on those roads.
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
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Posted By RogerB on 08/15/2007 7:39 AM
Rodney, how do you know the CC&Rs were amended with only 42% approval?

"About 6 years a go the house owners changed the CC about the size of the homes with 42 votes saying that only home owners ONLY have a vote. The CC say 67% needed to change. Also they do not send me any thing about meetings or dues ect. The ones with the houses run the show."

Roger - it seems that we now have one other minute bit of information,"The lots with homes on them voted and they say the lots with no homes have no vote."

So perhaps, the CC&R's do state that only lots with homes have votes. Therefore, 42 votes could be the 67% requirement.
He also mentions "I was by my lot there was a big seimi truck parked on the road" and " a guy was parked on a county road unloading and the president runs over and asked all these questions. These roads are not part of the development.." which leads one to believe that these 100 lots are not responsible for the roads. This therefore raises the question about the "dues" are there any, and if so, what are they for? Is this an HOA, Incorporated, Unincorporated, or voluntary?

Perhaps the poster will supply more info.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Dane,
For the sake of discussion I think we have to answer whether Rodney is legit or not. Sure some big pieces missing out of the picture. I could be way off her but I can't understand why there would be a differencce between home owners and lot owners if anything he is telling us is right.
How can A lot be inside the HOA and don't belong to the association. He keeps referring to they, (who is that?)? 6 years ago his right to vote was taken away. Rodney, where have you been for six years? Have you paid assessments for six years? Have you ever cast a vote? Is your lot listed on the associations records as part of association? Have you ever physically met any of the BOD, have you been to their office, what common property does the association own or maintain? Do you live in the city limits?
Speakly personnaly, that's it for me. I'm finished with this.

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