JenniferG11 (Texas)
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This is for a condo association in Texas. When I moved here, and for many years after, we hired off duty State Troopers.
One of their most important tasks was to go to the pools (especially) and all other amenities every 30 minutes to make sure everyone had their amenities card. Ejected trespassers, and sometimes people who live here but didn't have their cards.
They came on duty when the office closed M-F until midnight or so, then on the weekends in the summer months, they did shifts in the day also, and stayed later at night.
First they got rid of the troopers and went to some regular security company, but now they have cut their hours down resulting in pool pandemonium daily.
We are a large complex with two pool areas. One has the smaller, more shallow ones, and there isn't much trouble there. The trouble is with the main area, which is gigantic. Two pools, one of them has water volleyball, we have a hot tub in a gazebo, and then picnic table areas with grills and such.
It's really nice, and surrounding us are complexes with no pools, or pools that aren't as nice, and so people want to trespass into ours.
A lot of them get rowdy when asked to leave, and when the office is open, a staff member can call police to criminally trespass them, but after 5:00, we are on our own.
To me, this is insane. Everyone has different ideas about what is important to spend on, and people can disagree, but what I am seeking is strong arguments to make to the board about the necessity of security.
I don't think they will care much about the personal feeling of greater safety I have with them here! Before, I remember the Troopers saying we are really not here to guard residents, though we do respond if there is a trespasser or an incident anywhere, what we are primarily hired for is to protect the office and amenities (association responsibility areas) which leads me to think that should be the focus of my arguments.
I am new at being involved and my friend who is more experienced with it (and adviser to the board now) feels exactly the opposite, so she is of no help! She is one of the former board members whose first task was to get rid of the troopers.
She just keeps saying 'We can't afford it' but also keeps talking about how to solve this pool pandemonium. Obviously, I keep saying the only solution to that is security! Or at least SOME type of staff member with authority to call police and trespass people. Which goes back to 'we can't afford that', so in essence she wants the problem solved in some magical way I cannot grasp. Well, she wants the police to come but they aren't going to police our pool all the time, that is what private security is for.
I'm wondering if part of why we chose to afford it before is liability, which would be a strong argument to make now if that is the case. Otherwise all I have now is we should be safe and secure at the pool, not subject to trespassers who cause trouble. One incident recently there was a group of at least 15 people who started trouble with some residents and ended up cussing and threatening them. I think the police did come that time, but this is a frequent type of occurrence that just needs to be solved properly imo.
They by-laws say something about 'defending the property from liability' but that was probably language regarding insurance. Anyway, ideas?
One of their most important tasks was to go to the pools (especially) and all other amenities every 30 minutes to make sure everyone had their amenities card. Ejected trespassers, and sometimes people who live here but didn't have their cards.
They came on duty when the office closed M-F until midnight or so, then on the weekends in the summer months, they did shifts in the day also, and stayed later at night.
First they got rid of the troopers and went to some regular security company, but now they have cut their hours down resulting in pool pandemonium daily.
We are a large complex with two pool areas. One has the smaller, more shallow ones, and there isn't much trouble there. The trouble is with the main area, which is gigantic. Two pools, one of them has water volleyball, we have a hot tub in a gazebo, and then picnic table areas with grills and such.
It's really nice, and surrounding us are complexes with no pools, or pools that aren't as nice, and so people want to trespass into ours.
A lot of them get rowdy when asked to leave, and when the office is open, a staff member can call police to criminally trespass them, but after 5:00, we are on our own.
To me, this is insane. Everyone has different ideas about what is important to spend on, and people can disagree, but what I am seeking is strong arguments to make to the board about the necessity of security.
I don't think they will care much about the personal feeling of greater safety I have with them here! Before, I remember the Troopers saying we are really not here to guard residents, though we do respond if there is a trespasser or an incident anywhere, what we are primarily hired for is to protect the office and amenities (association responsibility areas) which leads me to think that should be the focus of my arguments.
I am new at being involved and my friend who is more experienced with it (and adviser to the board now) feels exactly the opposite, so she is of no help! She is one of the former board members whose first task was to get rid of the troopers.
She just keeps saying 'We can't afford it' but also keeps talking about how to solve this pool pandemonium. Obviously, I keep saying the only solution to that is security! Or at least SOME type of staff member with authority to call police and trespass people. Which goes back to 'we can't afford that', so in essence she wants the problem solved in some magical way I cannot grasp. Well, she wants the police to come but they aren't going to police our pool all the time, that is what private security is for.
I'm wondering if part of why we chose to afford it before is liability, which would be a strong argument to make now if that is the case. Otherwise all I have now is we should be safe and secure at the pool, not subject to trespassers who cause trouble. One incident recently there was a group of at least 15 people who started trouble with some residents and ended up cussing and threatening them. I think the police did come that time, but this is a frequent type of occurrence that just needs to be solved properly imo.
They by-laws say something about 'defending the property from liability' but that was probably language regarding insurance. Anyway, ideas?