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ElaineH2 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I would like other’s thoughts on the following reimbursement situation

I am the Treasurer of a small, self-managed community HOA. The HOA has a landscape vendor who maintains our Common grounds. Homeowners are responsible for landscaping their own courtyards.

The HOA received a small bill from the HOA landscape vendor for work done in an Owner’s Courtyard.

The invoice included complete documentation that said the Owner would reimburse the HOA.

It doesn’t seem wise to me to run an Owner expense through the HOA books.

Am I being too picky about what is run through the HOA books?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
You could do one of two things.

1) Ask the vendor to bill the owner separately. They may or may not want to do this.
2) Invoice the homeowner, have them pay the HOA and the funds would then pay the landscaper. Run it as misc income and misc expense and the books balance.
AdamD1 (Indiana)
Posts: 179
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Posted By ElaineH2 on 05/11/2018 12:39 PM
I would like other’s thoughts on the following reimbursement situation

I am the Treasurer of a small, self-managed community HOA. The HOA has a landscape vendor who maintains our Common grounds. Homeowners are responsible for landscaping their own courtyards.

The HOA received a small bill from the HOA landscape vendor for work done in an Owner’s Courtyard.

The invoice included complete documentation that said the Owner would reimburse the HOA.

It doesn’t seem wise to me to run an Owner expense through the HOA books.

Am I being too picky about what is run through the HOA books?

Why can't your landscape vendor bill the homeowner directly? I wouldn't entertain a homeowner's personal lawn care work with HOA funds, EVEN if the homeowner has the money in hand to reimburse the HOA. Remember, NO good deed goes unpunished!
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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It sounds like neither the member nor the vendor understands the contracts each has with the HOA. Tell the vendor to bill the member directly. Someone should speak with the member and tell him or her what's what. Also check and see whether the vendor, while working on the member's courtyard, was somehow using time that was supposed to belong to the HOA. Get everyone involved here on the same page.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Let's make a federal case out of the issue. Horsewhip each party.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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I'm with the others who say to have the vendor bill directly, assuming the association did not give prior permission for this arrangement. The vendor should be made to understand they are free to work for other customers, including homeowners, but that the HOA will have no involvement.

The landscaper billing the association for work done for a homeowner is no different than me walking into a Mercedes dealer and telling them to bill my car to Johnny Depp and I'll reimburse him.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
ElaineH2 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks to all for your feedback.

I did forward the invoice to the Owner and asked them to pay the Landscaper directly. They agreed to do that.

I also have a call in to the landscape company to ask them NOT to bill individual Owner work to the HOA.

In all fairness to all involved, I think no one (Owner or Landscaper) was thinking this through and just thought it would be "easier" to bill the HOA.

To give you a chuckle: The Owner involved is a Board member and President of the HOA.

Thank you.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By ElaineH2 on 05/11/2018 1:57 PM
The Owner involved is a Board member and President of the HOA.

That pretty much lets the landscaper off the hook since they were operating under the direction of someone in a position of authority with the association.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
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The potential problem could occur when the owner is not satisfied with the work or the price and refuses to pay. Then the HOA is still on the hook for the bill.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Yeah I kind of smell something funny on this one. Sounds like someone tried to funnel the money through the HOA. Think this actually akin to money laundering?

Our HOA was responsible for lawn care. However, if you wanted your bushes trimmed or other landscaping done, you paid the contractor separately. Not through the HOA.

Note: I would want to keep an eye out on this President... Not sure how long they have been at this. You could be feeding a rat...

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/11/2018 3:59 PM
Yeah I kind of smell something funny on this one. Sounds like someone tried to funnel the money through the HOA. Think this actually akin to money laundering?

Our HOA was responsible for lawn care. However, if you wanted your bushes trimmed or other landscaping done, you paid the contractor separately. Not through the HOA.

Note: I would want to keep an eye out on this President... Not sure how long they have been at this. You could be feeding a rat...

Need to get back on your meds. Money laundering?

It is not a crime to try and have the association landscaper cut your lawn and then pay for it, either through the landscaper directly or billed through the HOA. I am sure high treason was committed here.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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I would tell the contractor to bill the owner directly.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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You are not being picky. I can't think of any reason why the HOA should pay this bill, even if you had a guarantee it would be reimbursed. It is essentially providing credit which, at best, is inappropriate.

If the courtyard is the homeowner's responsibility, you should tell the vendor to bill the homeowner directly and remind the homeowner that maintaining the courtyard is their responsibility.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I'm thinking that this contractor might have a residential department and a commercial department.
If this is correct, then it's likely the commercial department wasn't supposed to do this work and this is the way to make there books work.

As an example, at one time our common area was being maintained by a national brand lawn company. A bunch of owners got together and, at the homeowners initiative, entered into contract that when the company does chemical application or seeding to the common area, they do so to the group of homes that entered the contract. Well, the residential group comes by and tries to drum up business. In fact, they took samples and told me that they could do better then the company I had now. I politely asked what would be different. They went into their sales pitch. I then said that I asked because it's their company that is providing the service now. Bottom line - our group of homes were not allowed to renew our previous deal.

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