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JohnD21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I don't know if this can be done or not. I live in a single family attached unit, not a condo and the hoa is now asking for some stuff I don’t know if they can do or not. They now have a rule that all window coverings have to be beige or white to the exterior and a new rule that you have to have a plumbing inspection for leaks done once every 2 years and a report sent to the board. This is not a condo community and seems to be over stepping boundaries but I could be wrong. These new rules as well come with fines if you do not obey.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What is a single-family attached unit? A town home?
JohnD21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
yes town home single family attached is a legal description when you own land below and exterior unlike a codo where you own inside the outer walls
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
I can see a reason for plumbing inspection this if the association pays for all the water. Or maybe if there are been past problems where one unit flooding impacts another unit.

I would have voted against this on the grounds that plumbing problems are usually apparent.

Now in a multistory condo...with old plumbing...this might make excellent sense.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Our HOA does have a rule about what shades you can use on the front windows. They have to be white only. So that not unusual as heard other HOA's have a similar rule. Mind you the HOA may not own your home but they do control the exterior view of your home. Which means they can control things like house colors, shades in windows, and other exterior features.

I can see if you do share interior walls with plumbing, I can see why the inspection of plumbing. Different pipes can cause various issues. A burst pipe or a leaky one can really wreak havoc on everyone in your HOA. It's not clear if the HOA is responsible for interior walls/roofs or not. If they are, then can understand this request.

Former HOA President
JohnD21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
These are like single family homes that are attached at 1 wall, they share no plumbing, and you have no one above or below you. I have heard of condos that have color rules and plumbing rules and can understand that as they are typically stacked like apartments but in these town homes everything is separate for utilities, nothing shared only common point between adjoining units is the fire wall between you and the neighbor.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Are they on slabs? Is it PEX piping? The reason asking is that PEX piping is often laid in the concrete slabs. PEX is great plumbing option and very popular in newer construction. However, pipes in concrete slabs do have issues. Don't think PEX has been time proven enough yet. So I can understand a concern if this was indeed the set up of the plumbing.

Does the HOA include water in the dues your pay? Is it separate? Reason I ask is something they would like more water conservation options as well if they are paying for the water.

In all, I don't really see a big issue with the inspection requirement.

Former HOA President
JohnD21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I really don't have an issue with the inspection and just felt they were intrusive and also they are not paying for the inspections as far as I know. All plumbing is copper no pex and most units have crawl spaces or basements or garages under them. Water is included in the hoa fee and it is the same fee for houses that have 1 person and houses that have 9 people living in them it is not by bedroom count, people count or bath count they just get the bill and divide by 92. My unit has no leaks and is completely updated in the past few years so I have no worries. If the board is trying to reduce or conserve water they could do so by using sub-metering which is allowed in the town and then each unit would pay the fair share which would also make them fix stuff if leaking in the unit they live in or pay for it in the water bill they get. This has been suggested to them for years but they don't seem to want to take any action on it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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That explains it. Our HOA used to share 1 water meter. The water was included in our dues. If a water pipe burst, it was extremely expensive on us. We had to pay for repairs anything from the meter to the house. Which was not cheap. The HOA wanting to conserve or make sure the plumbing is good is good for everyone.

Now we did go the separate water meter route. Let me tell you the work that has to be done. 1st everyone has to vote and agree to do it. 2nd the HOA will have to vote to have a special assessment to pay for the work. 3rd there is a large expense to pay the water authority to install the new meters. It was over 30K for our HOA. A $350 special assessment from EVERY owner had to be collected. We also had to vote to turn our streets PUBLIC so the water authority can install and maintain those pipes. The work tore up many yards for a few months during the work. Once the actual physical work is done it doesn't stop there. We now had to vote to adjust our dues now that was not a shared expense. The change also had to be reflected in our CC&R's. That meant gather 75 - 90% vote of owners to change the by-laws/CC&R's respectively. Which cost legal fees to have a lawyer file and draft the changes. That was another $3K and nearly 3 years of work. That doesn't count distribution expenses of the new rules.

So it's well worth it in the end will say that. It's just getting there will take years and lots of hard work.

Former HOA President
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By JohnD21 on 04/27/2018 10:38 AM
I don't know if this can be done or not. I live in a single family attached unit, not a condo and the hoa is now asking for some stuff I don’t know if they can do or not. They now have a rule that all window coverings have to be beige or white to the exterior and a new rule that you have to have a plumbing inspection for leaks done once every 2 years and a report sent to the board. This is not a condo community and seems to be over stepping boundaries but I could be wrong. These new rules as well come with fines if you do not obey.


Please clarify ... Is it a BOD implemented Rule OR did the Membership vote to Amend the CCR’s?

Either should apply when future change requests take affect for each unit ... especially if it is a BOD implemented Rule, If the HOA attempts to make every owner all of a sudden at the BOD’s whim / choices ... due to pulling a new rule out of their tail end ... to replace window coverings ... the HOA could have a huge problem.

Let’s say I bought a unit one year ago and potentially spent ALOT of $$$ on New Window Blinds which were allowed at the time I spent all that money. And then here potentially a year later the BOD (which is not the majority of owners) decides they want to screw my family over and make us again pay many $$$ again for something different ... LOL ... my response would be “Bite Me” and “Sue Me”.

The leak report I have no issue with when you have more than one unit attached to another. Potentially you should want to know your neighbor pipes may not potentially interfere with your property due to having been inspected. This also could possibly help keep insurance premiums possibly lower by having these inspections. However, I also would contend that I would have to get completed potentially within the next “two” years as you have noted.

The issue the HOA will run across is potentially many items which cost $$$ should be voted by ALL members with the CCR’s amended to incorporate those changes. The Courts tend to frown on a few handful of owners (a.k.a. BOD) trying to force owners to pay $$$ when they have not had the right to vote on such items and are being forced into those situations at the whim of potentially 3-5 BOD individuals.

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