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JohnS100 (New Mexico)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Hello all,
I am a member of a small HOA in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

We have 22 privately owned single family residences in a cul de sac, we are not condos or townhouses.

The only reason we have a HOA is because the original developer need to secure permanent maintenance of a small drainage easement.

We do have a full set of documents including language that requires proper upkeep of individual homes, etc

Eight of our houses face a public street and they each have a same height, color, wall that separates them from the sidewalk and street.

Our documents do say that the HOA itself is responsible for the maintenance of those walls, even though they are clearly on the individual's property and legal descriptions.

I can only assume that some 30 years ago when these houses were built and the developer created the HOA that he put that language in the documents for a reason?

And I assume that reason is so that if an individual property owner did NOT keep their wall facing the street in proper repair and IF it came down and injured a pedestrian then the liability
would be carried by the HOA itself and not the individual property owner in the event of a lawsuit?

I keep thinking the developer had to have a specific reason for wanting the HOA to bear this liability and not the homeowner, could it be city, county, state HOA governing law?

No one here knows, no one here can find any such language in the state HOA regulations, they say nothing at all about directing HOA documents to say the HOA is responsible.

Which makes me think, if this is true then why why why would the original HOA members agree to this language 30 years ago IF no state regulation required it?

The present membership will vote to change the language in our HOA documents to state that the individual homeowners will be responsible for their own wall maintenance.

Do any of you experts see any reason why changing our documents to this effect would not be ok?

I am afraid that some day in the future a homeowner will let their wall deteriorate and it falls on a walker on the outside sidewalk who then sues both the property owner and also the HOA.

And a future judge rules that yes, the HOA CAN be sued, and simply changing our documents did not good to take the HOA off the hook?

Has any of you dealt with this before, outside walls facing sidewalks/streets, are you aware of an overriding city, state, county regulations requiring HOAs being the responsible party?

Again, no one is of any help here with this. We all pay a paltry $150 a YEAR in dues to simply take care of a tiny city park in the middle of our dul de sac and no money to pay attorneys.

HELP?

John
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Developers often build walls or fences around a development and make them the responsibility of the association. This assures the walls/fences will be uniformly maintained. If the wall is painted, it is all painted the same color, and homeowners don't replace their section with something totally different. If the walls/fences are deemed to provide security or privacy to the development, that could be of benefit to all of the owners, not just the ones with the walls.

These walls/fences are often on private property, and usually the association has a wall/fence easement that gives it the right to use that property for that purpose. If there is no easement then the association might not have a right to have the wall there and the owners could just remove their section if they so desired. If the association doesn't care about uniformity, it might be able to cancel the easement and deed the wall to the owners, who could then maintain, paint a rainbow flag, tear down, or whatever on their sections. I would suggest getting legal advice before proceeding with this plan.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
My HOA is responsible, per the CC&Rs, to maintain the roofs of all the homes in the subdivision even though the homes, including the roofs, are owned by the individual homeowners. The developer 30 years ago wanted to ensure uniform appearance of the homes. The HOA also insures the roofs as well as the building shells as originally built. We also have several dozen duplexes and, we think, the developer wanted to minimize the chance that there would be disputes between neighbors in a duplex about what roof maintenance repairs were needed over time.

So it's not unheard of that an association might want to assume responsibility for things on the homeowners' lots.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
I also think it's fine to amend your documents to change who's responsible for maintaing the wall. Sometimes the original homeowners don't get to agree on the language in the documents because the developer holds all the cards when the original docs are drawn up.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our Docs call for HOA paying for roofing replacement, siding replacement, fence replacement, etc. The reason was to maintain a common look. I for one, am all for it.

We are trying to change the Docs to remove roof and siding replacement but in its place will be language saying the HOA has total control on when replaced, materials, colors, etc. in order to maintain the common look.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By JohnS100 on 04/26/2018 7:12 PM
Hello all,
I am a member of a small HOA in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

We have 22 privately owned single family residences in a cul de sac, we are not condos or townhouses.

The only reason we have a HOA is because the original developer need to secure permanent maintenance of a small drainage easement.

We do have a full set of documents including language that requires proper upkeep of individual homes, etc That is typical of all HOA’s.

Eight of our houses face a public street and they each have a same height, color, wall that separates them from the sidewalk and street.

Our documents do say that the HOA itself is responsible for the maintenance of those walls, even though they are clearly on the individual's property and legal descriptions. Your documents should then control. If the HOA is responsible for those walls there is a high probability that the area on the Plats where those are located are most likely noted as potential “HOA Easements”.

I can only assume that some 30 years ago when these houses were built and the developer created the HOA that he put that language in the documents for a reason? WE cannot read or see anything in your CCR’s unless you post any specific items which you may have any question asking for our opinions. LOL ... we are not mind readers.

And I assume that reason is so that if an individual property owner did NOT keep their wall facing the street in proper repair and IF it came down and injured a pedestrian then the liability
would be carried by the HOA itself and not the individual property owner in the event of a lawsuit? Sigh ... that is generally why any HOA is established ... to take any responsibility away from any local government regarding upkeep of a neighborhood.

I keep thinking the developer had to have a specific reason for wanting the HOA to bear this liability and not the homeowner, could it be city, county, state HOA governing law? Same as above ... LOL.

No one here knows, no one here can find any such language in the state HOA regulations, they say nothing at all about directing HOA documents to say the HOA is responsible. HOA 101 ... If the HOA notes items which is their responsibility (which could potentially be above and beyond any local or state laws) the HOA becomes responsible. Local governments LOVE any of their HOA’s who will take on excessive responsibility and liability.

Which makes me think, if this is true then why why why would the original HOA members agree to this language 30 years ago IF no state regulation required it? Somebody needed an “HOA Contract” or in essence “HOA CCR’s”. They wanted them to sound and be important. However, the important issue is unless your CCR’s violate any State Statute OR unless any State Statute notes that it supercedes ... your CCR’s pretty much govern. However, your current owners if you do not like what you have ... you have the option and authority to make changes.

The present membership will vote to change the language in our HOA documents to state that the individual homeowners will be responsible for their own wall maintenance.

Do any of you experts see any reason why changing our documents to this effect would not be ok? We are not “experts” ... just other owners who are offering opinions. My opinion NOPE ... As long as your State Statutes and Governing Documents are followed with regards to Amending your CCR’s.

I am afraid that some day in the future a homeowner will let their wall deteriorate and it falls on a walker on the outside sidewalk who then sues both the property owner and also the HOA. Yep that can happen. HOA’s are potentially easy targets for lawsuits because you have many owners contributing to the situation.

And a future judge rules that yes, the HOA CAN be sued, and simply changing our documents did not good to take the HOA off the hook? Keep in mind ANYONE can sue a HAM SANDWICH and have a potential 50/50 chance of winning. However, if someone potentially sues the HOA due to any wall not maintained ... if the CCR’s note the OWNER is supposed to maintain the HOA could potentially hold the owner responsible for any costs the HOA has incurred via any other third party injured. Potentially there should be some type of verbiage in your CCR’s noting that the HOA can hold members responsible for their actions or violations.

Has any of you dealt with this before, outside walls facing sidewalks/streets, are you aware of an overriding city, state, county regulations requiring HOAs being the responsible party? Look at your Plat filed with your local County Records. This is another document which could help answer your questions along with your CCR’s (which we cannot read ourselves). You can also after reviewing your various documents ask your local government planning department questions.

Again, no one is of any help here with this. We all pay a paltry $150 a YEAR in dues to simply take care of a tiny city park in the middle of our dul de sac and no money to pay attorneys. If HOA potentially needs an attorney the options are to increase HOA dues or implement a Special Assessment (due to not implementing any reserve account to handle situations)

HELP?

John

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