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GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
In spite of all the wrangling over this, topic, it apparently, is still in play ... :-)

I can't figure out a way to get information to the 189 residents in our single family home neighborhood without either USPS mail, or sticking flyers to the outside of their individual mailboxes ... and, no, email has not worked due to the age of the residents ...

I've read all the USPS regulatory language - and I have read where USPS local folks don't really care ...

So, who does this and have you gotten any negative feedback from USPS?

Our "voluntary" association neighborhood is way strapped financially - can't afford to mail them.

Thanks.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
We have a round tube mounted at each mail box. Our stuff goes in there.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
George

While I admire you wanting to distribute information at what point does it become to much? Just because some are not up to date with Email does not mean I have to cater to them by hand delivering things. I say Email it and be done with it.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You can't put anything in the mailbox without postage and sticking things on it and tacky (to me, anyway). Besides, it can be blown away or damaged by rain or whatever, and no one will be able to read it.

Apparently, you're not willing to stick the things in the door - you can get those plastic bags from an office supply store, put your announcements in it and hang them from the doorknob. A community volunteer can walk around and hang them up, or maybe you can hire a teenager or two or three for $25-$50 a piece.

Finally, consider a website - then you can pass around a flyer announcing its existence and urging people to go there for information. For the people without email or internet access, you could also have copies of the previous board minutes made available at monthly meetings (the ones already approved). In the end, people have to take some responsibility for keeping up with association affairs - they either go to the website or come to a meeting to pick up information. Between meetings, an information box posted at the clubhouse, if you have one, can also work - get one with a door so they don't fly out and create litter everywhere.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
We use a sign board in the median near the entrance so it is visible to people going in and out. Ours was built by a member so the cost was very little.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
All of our homes have railings and we place newsletters on the railing or on the front door.

Granted, I'm in a townhome community, therefore, delivering to 130 residents only takes about 1 hour.

You may want to consider hiring local children to do the delivery or hire a temp service.
I'll bet that some of the residents might even be willing to do this to supplement their income.
If it costs less then mailing, the Association is ahead of the game.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
All good points, thanks.

Neighborhood doesn’t have money for tubes, and most of neighborhood doesn’t belong to the association.

Most in neighborhood don’t walk well enough to walk the flyers to the doors.

We absolutely need to keep everyone informed if we are to have a hope of stabilizing.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Just cut up a piece of PVC and attach to the mailbox post or below. It doesn't have to be big. Just enough to accept a piece of rolled up paper. I would avoid any kind of contact of inside mailboxes. It is illegal to put anything in a mailbox without a stamp on it.

There are other ways of putting the word out. Electronically is the most popular. However, you can set up an information box with a locked glass case. We had one at our mailbox group at the front entrance. Where does your HOA hold it's meetings? Those should be open for people to attend to be informed.

I would not be so free in sharing the minutes except upon request. Found your wasting your time and energy sharing information no one wants. If they want it, they will ask for it. You can't change apathy in a HOA by freely handing out information even if they have a right to it. It only does good when it's given to those who want it.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 04/19/2018 10:37 AM

We absolutely need to keep everyone informed if we are to have a hope of stabilizing.

Then you will likely need to spend the money for mailing.

DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
Our tubes are black ABS, painted white on the outside. They are capped on the back to protect the mailings from the weather. We use the black and paint them white so that a white piece of paper in there shows up very well from a distance. (this was already implemented before I moved into the hood)
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
I disagree re not being able to affect interest levels - I’ve found in other associations, the more you communicate - CONSISTENTLY - the more involvement you get. We at least have to try this as there ar no other options. Apathy can be modified - a bit. 😀

Mailing is way too expensive to do consistently ...

We have a campaign to get more email addresses which, will, in the end, provide the best method.

So, if USPS has such a major issue with pieces of paper attached to the outside of the box, or post, etc ...why no issue with a tube ATTACHED to the post, with pieces of paper in the tube? And, can we legally attach a piece of PVC to residents’ mailbox posts without approval? Remember, v9luntary association ...

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 04/21/2018 7:10 AM

So, if USPS has such a major issue with pieces of paper attached to the outside of the box, or post, etc ...why no issue with a tube ATTACHED to the post, with pieces of paper in the tube? And, can we legally attach a piece of PVC to residents’ mailbox posts without approval? Remember, v9luntary association ...

Federal Regulations, specifically 18 U.S.C. 1725, address the mail box itself. Basically, only mail may be placed within or on the mailbox itself (no placing flyers between the box and flag).

Other then height requirements, there are no prohibitive regulations for the post the mail box is attached to. Therefore, with the owners permission, you could attach a newspaper tube to the post. you may not attach a newspaper tube to the mailbox itself.

Regarding attaching a piece of paper to the post, it's open for debate. The regulations state that any advertising on the mailbox or it's support is illegal. Would a newsletter be considered advertising? In my mind, no. The post office may or may not agree. See: Postal Service controls the outside of your mailbox, too: Money Matters
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
If it's a security mail box, with a lock and key to remove the mail, you can place any notifications you want in them. There is no out going mail from those. Not many people have them though.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Tim - I went back and reread the USPS "regulation" - while there is no way we could talk folks into allowing us to attach a tube, being able to tape the flyer on the post does look to be "legal."

As I started researching this, it started me thinking ... when will this USPS thing finally be deregulated in some manner to disconnect them from the Federal Govt ... not sure the current structure has a place like it did ...

As always, thanks!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 04/23/2018 9:56 AM

As I started researching this, it started me thinking ... when will this USPS thing finally be deregulated in some manner to disconnect them from the Federal Govt ... not sure the current structure has a place like it did ...

It will probably never be deregulated.

Glad you found a solution.

Tim
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
To close this thread out and let everyone know how we did this ...

The delivery team decided they would rather insert in door area somewhere ...we got the first Board meeting minutes approved in time so included them with the Spring Cleanup flyer - recall the goal was to increase communication to everyone possible - even those that are not members (voluntary organization).

I also emailed the Minutes to the 85 (out of 189) owners who provided email addresses - continuing the concern with apathy, so far I have received zero responses. Beginning to wonder if I have an email problem :-)

I also asked if the delivery volunteers heard anything from residents as they were delivering ...only saw a few people, and they detected no theme that would help us increase membership.

We’ll keep working it!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You may want to check out how your email is received. Send yourself an email. The person receiving it may not know who you are. I would recommend making a "free" Hotmail account with the HOA's name on it or Atleast have the name reflected. Whenever you set up an account your name is inputted which is what shows who sends the email. You can modify the free account to show the HOA's name instead. Plus that account may be able to share the password to other board members to use as the HOA's inbox.

Don't expect much of a response with the flyers. When people are interested they will find a way to get the information. Just make sure when they finally get that desire, the information on how to do that is available. You can't put information down the necks of those who don't want to swallow. You get covered in spit...

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Thanks, Melissa - good suggestions.

I was burning to get this thing out quick - while following the rules :-). Some teeth pulling required ...

I plan to give the effort more structure, and having common email and name of the association on the From is part of the plan.

I bought the appropriate website URL address (a year was $1) ... will have to work with the Board to see if they are interested in spending the $30-50/month required to get it hosted somewhere - I would prefer a package wherein the hosting service also provides financial software that is accessible anywhere ... I think this I something that will have great impact and get us off the pretty difficult to use Quickbooks ...

Lots of things to work on ...

Just sent the other Board and Committee members a couple of articles on neighborhood apathy ... we'll see if they read them :-)
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 04/19/2018 9:22 AM
In spite of all the wrangling over this, topic, it apparently, is still in play ... :-)

I can't figure out a way to get information to the 189 residents in our single family home neighborhood without either USPS mail, or sticking flyers to the outside of their individual mailboxes ... and, no, email has not worked due to the age of the residents ...

We suffer from the same problem with email. You just have to deal with it.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
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Posted By GenoS on 04/26/2018 11:25 PM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 04/19/2018 9:22 AM
In spite of all the wrangling over this, topic, it apparently, is still in play ... :-)

I can't figure out a way to get information to the 189 residents in our single family home neighborhood without either USPS mail, or sticking flyers to the outside of their individual mailboxes ... and, no, email has not worked due to the age of the residents ...

We suffer from the same problem with email. You just have to deal with it.


LOL ... I think (age of residents) is an OLD “excuse” still utilized. My husband’s soon to be 80 year old mom and my 74 year old mom BOTH know how to send email, text, and can even use “face time” via their cell phones and/or iPads. So ... How many years from now are citizens still going to be using this same excuse? After many, many years of the computer age it has become very OLD!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
And I have a 80 year old mother in law who can't figure out how to text on her phone.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 05/01/2018 1:18 AM
And I have a 80 year old mother in law who can't figure out how to text on her phone.


How many YEARS ago were computers developed? Personally I have began to think it is not an issue of “can’t” and instead has become “wont” figure out how ... especially when you consider how long we have had computers in our lives. And if your mother-in-law stated could not read a “Certified Return Receipt” letter ... how well would that hold up in a court regarding any very important issue where such letter is required for notification?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By JanetB2 on 05/01/2018 2:25 AM
Posted By TimB4 on 05/01/2018 1:18 AM
And I have a 80 year old mother in law who can't figure out how to text on her phone.


How many YEARS ago were computers developed? Personally I have began to think it is not an issue of “can’t” and instead has become “wont” figure out how ... especially when you consider how long we have had computers in our lives.

I'm sorry. You appear to presume to group all individuals into one.
My mother-in-law uses computers all the time along with email.
However, she is becoming forgetful (as many will in their old age).
She has been shown how to use the "smart" features of her phone many times.
She can't seem to do it on her own.

Perhaps it's due to her forgetfulness.
Perhaps it's due to an un-diagnosed medical condition (failing eyesight, etc.).
Perhaps it's due to the fact technology is changing very quickly and phones tend to last 2 to 5 years before they are outdated.
OR
Perhaps it's as you say, she simply doesn't want to.

I personally don't know the reason she can't seem to figure out how to text.
However, I wouldn't presume to identify the reason why someone can't do something without getting to know them.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
May I add that I do not text. Think I've only done it a few times if any. Why? I don't have TEXT as an option on my phone. Plus I don't have a "smart phone". So I just don't text. Do work with computers too... So first one to understand why someone may have trouble texting or not doing it.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The only way an association can reach all owners is via US Mail. Any other form of communication will not reach everyone for whatever reasons. I say use US Mail for all legal mailings. For informational information use any method that works such as Email but accept the fact that not everyone will receive it and not be overly concerned about it not reaching all.

Our MC's mailing company charges $0.90 for a US mailing of upto to 4 sheets of paper. For us that is about $100.00 to reach our 112 owners.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
90 cents a mailing may not be a lot of money for some HOAs but for others it is. An easy solution is to send everything by email (allowable by law) to those who provide their email address. For those who don't provide an email address, send by regular mail. I would go a step further and advise owners that only assessment bills and ballots/notices of elections will be mailed to those without email addresses. Other items such as newsletters and social event notices only will be sent by email and posted to the website.

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