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RichL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hello:

I am a board member of the Kismet Crest Homeowner's Association in Eugene, Oregon. I read a previous post that says that the CCR'S that are attached to the title when a home is purchased are binding, even if there is not an active HOA. That to me seems wrong, but I'm not an attorney. To enforce these "dormant" CCR's requires going to court. Is that the understanding of members of this forum?

My hope was that CCR's could NOT be enforced if there is not a valid HOA.

Thanks,

Rich Locus
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
FYI, the "Posting Rules" above state that you should not use actual names of your association.

CCRs can exist in the absence of any association, in fact many properties are deed restricted and no association was ever defined. This is especially common in older developments. An association would only exist if it was created by the CCRs, in that case the association would have the duties, rights, and responsibilities as defined in the CCRs. With or without an association, the CCRs often state that any member can legally enforce the restrictions, which is generally done by suing.

Just because restrictions are defined does not always mean they are enforceable. Illegal restrictions (barring certain races, for example) are not. There can also be statutes of limitations such that if a violation has been allowed to exist for a certain amount of time courts will not enforce.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
How best to describe this... Think of the HOA as a "club". The purpose of the club is to create, maintain, and enforce the restrictions. (CC&R's). For this to happen, it needs to be funded. If your funded then you would want to be a business. In the case of a HOA that means incorporating. Hence, now you have "Articles of Incorporation". The purpose of the corporation is to collect as much money it spends on it's operational expenses. (Non-profit corporation NOT charitable). When you have a corporation you then need Officers and a Board to represent it's general membership. (Owners). Those positions are voted on by the general membership to represent them on an everyday business requirements. A management company can be hired to assist the HOA in it's operations.

Now, if no one is interested in forming such a "club" it does not mean the rules/restrictions go away. It just means there's not a collaborative group of interested parties who want to do it. So if you move in and install a fence against restrictions, then I can sue you for enforcement as an individual.

So a HOA is basically the club that runs things. You are a member of that club simply by being an owner. No club involvement doesn't mean the restrictions go away unless you form a club to make them go away.

Former HOA President
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
The CC&R's are a binding contract whether your HOA is "dormant" or not. As Melissa said, any one of your neighbors can take legal action against you if you violate the covenants.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
As I understand it any owner can file a legal action against another owner for Covenant violations.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Rich

As there is a BOD it seems to me the Covenants/Bylaws are not dormant. Maybe they not abided by nor enforced but they do not seem to be dormant.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
http://kismetcrest.com/

Far from dormant.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
Some CC&Rs also establish the HOA so it would depend how it is written. Generally though, the CC&Rs are attached to the property and are binding regardless of an HOA. I assume in most, if not all, cases that would mean an owner taking the violator to court. That is not unusual. In our HOA the only enforcement available (even for the board or ACC) is going to court, other than a violation letter requesting compliance.

All CC&Rs and state laws are different though.

RichL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 3
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Thanks to everyone who confirmed that the CCRs are enforceable even with a defunct HOA.
It's a sad story, but a homeowner spent a fortune trying to save a 100 year old fir, lost his case, and was forced to cut down a beautiful tree because the CCRs contained a clause that said that if a tree blocked a "reasonable" view, then it needed to be topped or removed.

I looked at the tree. It blocked about 4% of the person's view. Pathetic!!

Neighbor fighting neighbor: Tall fir trees at some southwest Eugene homes are target of lawsuit by homeowners
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/36205008-75/story.csp

Dispute over SW Eugene neighbors’ tall trees that block views headed to court Tuesday
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/36425215-75/dispute-over-sw-eugene-neighbors-tall-trees-that-block-views-headed-to-court-tuesday.html.csp

Judge rules against Eugene tall tree owners in view dispute
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/36457477-75/judge-rules-against-eugene-tall-tree-owners-in-view-dispute.html.csp

Thank you all again.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Your developer included a covenant attached to your property titles regarding the views ... and which was implemented almost 70 years ago.

If you are a Board Member then you potentially have an active and valid HOA. After all YOU could not have been elected or appointed to the BOD without the actions of an active membership in an HOA.

YES ... I would agree is potentially sad to cut down beautiful trees; however, the Court has their hands tied because of the original developer’s Covenant attached to the property titles. The court would have to follow the covenant agreed to by all owner’s when they PURCHASED ... whether or not the judge may or may not personally agree with any such situation would be immaterial. If the Owner’s at any time in past disagreed with the covenant they potentially should have had the covenant removed via owners agreement. Because they did not you then have had an owner almost 70 years later have an issue with trees which have grown in that period of time.

Your local Government and their Planning Commission are faced with these issues all the time. Somebody can have X acres of land and want to establish a subdivision. Surrounding neighbors will state that the new subdivision will be detrimental to their views. If you sit on one of those positions you have to be impartial to everyone’s feelings and note that the Owner wanting to establish a subdivision is following the laws/ordinances and they have a right to do as they want with their property as long as they do not violate established contracts or laws. Vacant land in the future at some point has a high probablity of being built upon. It has amazed me how many people will jump up and down about their property rights ... yet turn around and want to stomp all over a neighbor and their property or right to build what they want under the local laws.
RichL1 (Oregon)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you Janet.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By RichL1 on 04/18/2018 9:16 PM
It's a sad story, but a homeowner spent a fortune trying to save a 100 year old fir, lost his case, and was forced to cut down a beautiful tree because the CCRs contained a clause that said that if a tree blocked a "reasonable" view, then it needed to be topped or removed.

I looked at the tree. It blocked about 4% of the person's view. Pathetic!!

The homeowner might have been better served spending that fortune on getting the CC&Rs amended.

Four years ago I could see the North Star from my back patio just above the treetop of a large 30-yo oak tree. Four years of growth have now blocked that view. My inner Prince Henry the Navigator is not pleased. I wish we had your CC&R provision about too-tall trees because I have no recourse. What's whimsical and "pathetic" to you may be a real issue for someone else. The question of what's "reasonable" is always crucial.

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