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MartinG2 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The Board of Directors hired a Decorator as a vendor for $60,000 without a vote from the residents saying they had the authority to do it as per Articles Of Incorporation. The Decorator was hired to draw up plans for a refurbishment of the Clubhouse ranging from $1-3 million dollars. Do the rules and regulations supersede the Articles of Incorporation?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would say the board could hire the vendor. It wouldn't be a member vote. The overall project that may take a special assessment to pay for will be a majority membership vote. However, hiring a consultant/vendor is within the board's scope.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The order of precedence for documents are:

Federal Laws
Federal regulations
State Laws
State Regulations
County codes
City Ordinances
City Regulations
Deed Restrictions (your Covenants)
Articles of Incorporation (if incorporated)
Bylaws
Resolutions (formal decisions made by the Board)

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The Articles supersede the Rules & Regs. But in my HOA's CC&Rs, the board has that authority too--to hire a vendor for such work.

I don't understand, Martin, why limits on what the board can spend would be in your Rules & Reg anyway. Can you tell us what it says in the rules & Regs? And in the Articles?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The Articles supersede the Rules & Regs. But in my HOA's CC&Rs, the board has that authority too--to hire a vendor for such work.

I don't understand, Martin, why limits on what the board can spend would be in your Rules & Reg anyway. Can you tell us what it says in the rules & Regs? And in the Articles?
MartinG2 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The Declarations Of covenants, Restrictions and Easements limits the BOD spending to $10,000 without a vote from residents. Under the Articles of Incorporation the BOD Lawyer said it was okay to hire a Decorator for $60,000 to do a rendering of a clubhouse renovation.
Do the CR&E take presidence over the Articles Of Incorporation?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
See Tim's list above, Martin.

What exactly DO your articles say??
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
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Posted By MartinG2 on 04/02/2018 4:34 PM
The Declarations Of covenants, Restrictions and Easements limits the BOD spending to $10,000 without a vote from residents. Under the Articles of Incorporation the BOD Lawyer said it was okay to hire a Decorator for $60,000 to do a rendering of a clubhouse renovation.
Do the CR&E take presidence over the Articles Of Incorporation?

The CR&E absolutely outranks the Articles of Incorporation. And both outrank the Rules & Regulations. In the event of a conflict between the R&R and any of the other documents, the other documents prevail. In case of a conflict between the Articles of Incorporation and the CR&E, the CR&E take precedence.

$60 grand for a rendering sounds really fishy if that is indeed all the contract called for.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Martin,

You have seen the paperwork, we have not.

Is it possible that the contract provides for materials, labor, etc. vs. just consultation?

If you desire to stop the contract, you need to act quickly and likely go through the courts.

Of course, even if you win, the Association may have to honor the contract or pay a portion. This is because the vendor acted in good faith and has a contract signed by the Board President (or a board member). The contractor was of the expectation that these individuals had the authority to enter into such a contract. The contractor may have even done work related to the contract that will have to be paid for.

With that said, you would have to do the following:

1) organize (get other members involved)
2) File legal action in court to stop work and force a vote on the contract.
3) If the vote is held and the contract voided, you now have to decide if you and those you organized desire to file additional legal action to make those who approved the contract pay for it from their own wallets. Association funds will be spent to defend the Board (as they are idemdified). However, any judgement would be against the individuals themselves. This may also have the effect of nobody wanting to run for the Board. Hence your organization to have a slate of candidates ready to serve and to share the cost of the legal expenses.
MartinG2 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
What document are you using to say that the BOD can hire a Decorator to draw renderings for a refurbishment for $60,000 without bringing this up to the residents(558)
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
1. It would be surprising to have a 10K limit on the board authority to spend for a large association. (An association contemplating a 1M expenditure must be pretty big). With a 10K limit they would need resident approval for almost everything.

2. Doing a large project WITHOUT an architect or decorator would not be a good idea.
CjC
Posts: 210
Posted:
our board entered into a contract for over $2 million dollars for renovations and it did not go to a community vote. It didn't have to. The only way it would is if it had raised assessments. We have the money in reserves (they are there since they took out a $2 million bank loan at the same time and deposited it to the reserves). Everything was done with legal consultation. Many in the community did not agree it was the right thing to do, but it didn't violate anything that they could find. Just because it looks like a large dollar figure, doesn't necessarily mean it needs a community vote. You voted in the board and they need to take fiduciary responsibility.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MartinG2 on 04/03/2018 11:15 AM
What document are you using to say that the BOD can hire a Decorator to draw renderings for a refurbishment for $60,000 without bringing this up to the residents(558)

It's not clear who you are addressing this to, but if it is Tim, he is not saying the board has that authority, he is saying if they are violating your governing docs, your primary recourse is probably via the courts. Most states don't have an "HOA Police" that will get involved with matters like this. In Florida, the Department of Business and Professional Regulation does help enforce some items for Condos (see FS 718, mainly elections and meeting violations), but less so for HOAs (see FS720).

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Posted By CjC on 04/03/2018 11:22 AM
our board entered into a contract for over $2 million dollars for renovations and it did not go to a community vote. It didn't have to. The only way it would is if it had raised assessments. We have the money in reserves (they are there since they took out a $2 million bank loan at the same time and deposited it to the reserves). Everything was done with legal consultation. Many in the community did not agree it was the right thing to do, but it didn't violate anything that they could find. Just because it looks like a large dollar figure, doesn't necessarily mean it needs a community vote. You voted in the board and they need to take fiduciary responsibility.

According to Martin his covenants limit the board to a 10k expenditure without owner approval. I don't think most governing docs have such a clause, and as such, give broad powers to the board to run the association including spending large sums of money without owner approval.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our BOD does no need owner approval for any expenditure nor to raise the yearly assessment. We would need 2/3rds owner approval for a Special Assessment.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 04/03/2018 11:57 AM
Our BOD does no need owner approval for any expenditure nor to raise the yearly assessment. We would need 2/3rds owner approval for a Special Assessment.

Same here except owner approval is not needed for a Special Assessment. The board has pretty much total discretion on spending, assessments and budgets. No owner approval needed for anything at all.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Martin - your board has apparently decided to spend from $1 - 3 million on a project. A consultant/contractor has been asked to submit a design. These are not done for free, just as you would have to pay for an architect to draw up plans for your house.

It sounds like there is a budget already in place for this project. The plans must be paid for. There most likely will be others asked to submit plans, too.

The time for you to complain was at the beginning of this project - from its inception. You are concerned about something already in the works.

Ask to see the budget for the entire project.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Martin

As Sue asked: Is there a budget in place for this remodel? If so, I expect the $60K came from it and would be proper.
MartinG2 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Sue, there was no budget item for the decorator. I guess it came from excess money in the HOA funds. Lawyer said they could do it as per Articles Of Incorporation. Doesn't the Declaration of Covenants, Restrictions and Easements over ride the Articles Of Incorporation. Aren't the Articles of Incorporation for the Builder Board until owners take over?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Martin,

As all have said, the CC&Rs are above the Articles of Incorporation and will control (must be complied with) when there are conflicts.

The articles of incorporation are for the corporation, regardless of who is in charge.

You need to reply to the Board, copied to the attorney, that although the Articles do allow the Board to award contracts, when those contracts exceed $xx,xxxx, then the covenants control and the contract must be submitted to the membership for a vote before being awarded.

If you want to make a better impact, have an attorney write the letter on your behalf.

If you want to make even more of an impact, gather support and have the attorney write the letter on behalf of all the members who agree with you (naming them).

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