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JamesG16 (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We at Four Seasons in El Dorado Hills CA have a group of avid billiard players who wish to subsidize the HOA to help purchase two new pool tables to replace the old well-worn ones. They wish to donate $10,000 collectively towards the total cost of $20,000, and will release all claims of ownership rights because of the donation. Sounds like a win-win situation.

However our management company has advise us that the $10,000 donation must be treated as taxable income by the Association even though it is to be used to replace aged equipment. The billiard group realizes that they cannot claim their donation as a charitable contribution because our organization does not qualify for such. But it seems like that 10 grand will then be getting taxed twice.

That doesn't make sense. How can this be true?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Hello, James. Please read the Posting Rules.

As to your question I think you should consult an accountant or a tax attorney. This probably isn't the best place to debate what is or isn't fair when it comes to taxes.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
HOA's are typically "non-profit" but NOT charitable non-profit. It's not like your giving to Cystic Fibrosis. It's more like your donating money to business that doesn't make a profit. It spends what it collects on it's operational expenses.

There are different types of non-profits and the IRS has definitions for each. A few posters here can tell you more about the tax situation and how it breaks down better. Just giving a layman's version of how it works.

So yes that money that they "donate" could be taxed and they would not get a charitable donation status. The HOA's income is based on dues collections and special assessments. Your HOA could have a special assessment done instead to pay for the project.

Former HOA President
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Most assocoations file form 1120H which is a special version of the corporate income tax for for HOAs. With this form, "program income", i.e. dues/assessments are tax exempt, and the first $100 of other income is exempt. Other than that, the association pays a flat rate of 30% on income.

Some associations, mostly those with other operations that generate income, use the standard corporate form which allows deducting expenses involved in generating income, just like typical for profit corporations.

For specific details follow Geno's advice and consult a tax attorney.

Rather than donate the money, perhaps they can buy a table, allow it be used by all, and the association can provide the space for it.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Easy enough to get around. When the tables are bought have the seller bill two entities. The HOA and the others. The seller will be glad to do it.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
Posted:
Your group buys the tables on their own, and have them shipped to the clubroom. No money goes to or thru the HOA
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Sounds like the one's donating want the tax write-off more than the HOA. They want some kind of benefit by the donation which would be a tax deduction.

Former HOA President
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/01/2018 8:26 AM
Sounds like the one's donating want the tax write-off more than the HOA. They want some kind of benefit by the donation which would be a tax deduction.

Read again
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Posted By JamesG16 on 03/31/2018 11:52 PM
The billiard group realizes that they cannot claim their donation as a charitable contribution because our organization does not qualify for such. But it seems like that 10 grand will then be getting taxed twice.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Mark is right, Melissa.

I'm with the rest. The group buys the tables and donates them to the HOA.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The problem was the group only had half the money to buy the tables. So guess wanted the HOA to collect the other half. Otherwise, the group is going to be buying the tables and letting the HOA keep them. Which may well bring up other issues. Something that should be discussed besides just the purchase.

Former HOA President
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
Posted:
Then they buy one table and give it to the HOA. The HOA holds a bake sale to buy the other table
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
JamesG,
The donating group may not write off anything and the HOA would have to pay taxes on the value of the donation. So why set the price at $20,000? Why not offer to pay $1 for each of the 2 pool tables?
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
Posted:
We are at this point only talking about one pool table.

You are correct, but in real terms, the IRS is unlikely to wander around asking where pool and picnic tables came from.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
This is starting to sound like the taxman scene from the movie Popeye (1980)

I honestly don't see how the IRS can tax a donation even if they are not exempt.

I don't think HOA's have to claim items like this on the tax return. That sounds ridiculous, if that's the case then the HOA has to claim the picnic tables in the park, the benches and jungle gym. I know there are IRS disclosure docs on cash purchases of $10k and higher, but that don't include checks or credit cards, only cash.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
James,

As others have said, expecting that your Association files 1120-H with the IRS, since the donation (be it manufactured goods or money) isn't an assessment, it would be considered taxable income.

If the Association desired, they could pass a special assessment on those individuals for "damage" to the tables. If this was done, the money would be considered an assessment and thus, not taxable.

Now, as has been mentioned, the IRS and any CPA looks at the money. Rarely do they actually look at the capital components themselves. Hence, if the tables were to happen to show up and the Association doesn't know where they came from, so be it.

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