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BrandiS1 (Iowa)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Greetings,

I am a new homeowner, closing on my property free and clear July 2017. Since purchasing I have spent over 70$ updating just this inside of my home. I paid July 2017-Dec-2017 with a bank cashiers check in July of 2017. In October of 2017, I contacted my homeowners association president and met with him asking to pay all of 2018 in advance which I had a check in hand for at the time and he refused stating that I would have to wait until Jan 2018. Please keep in mind I had all 3 bathrooms, Kitchen, bedrooms, living room, dinning room completely remodeled including all ceilings, walls and flooring. Since then, I have been unable to locate the cashiers check. I did not receive my coupons/tickets of sorts until late Jan of 2018 (Which I also misplaced for a short time). I have since been notified that an attorney was hired by the board to sue me for dues, late fee's and attorney fee's. Im extremely upset by this. I wrote a check dated March 9, 2018 for 4 months of 2018. which I made a copy of and they are now demanding a full year of dues prior to them being due. The law office said they mailed me a letter demanding a full year on March 12th, Which I DID NOT receive, stating that the full years dues are due by March 26th. I received another letter on March 26th, stating that they would not cash my check and demanded full payment. Its completely unreasonable in my opinion as they refused it last year and demand it this year.

Next, None of the snow or ice was removed and I fell not once but 2xs, which the association is responsible for, which is why I thought I pay my dues for. Last year I bought a lawn mower since my small area wasnt being care for. I dont use the pool. I dont use the common ground in anyway. The city plowed the streets because they were not having it done.

3rd, the association president told me I have to have a different type of homeowners insurance not condo, but homeowners Insurance. In reality, I own my home free and clear, as in no mortgage. According to state law in Iowa I am not required to have homeowners insurance which costs me about half of what I pay for taxes per year. Please keep in mind the president is an insurance agent himself, which I would think would be a conflict.

I feel like Im being Bullied.

HELP!!
BrandiS1 (Iowa)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrandiS1 on 03/27/2018 3:03 AM
Greetings,

I am a new homeowner, closing on my property free and clear July 2017. Since purchasing I have spent over 70$ thousand updating just this inside of my home. I paid July 2017-Dec-2017 with a bank cashiers check in July of 2017. In October of 2017, I contacted my homeowners association president and met with him asking to pay all of 2018 in advance which I had a check in hand for at the time and he refused stating that I would have to wait until Jan 2018. Please keep in mind I had all 3 bathrooms, Kitchen, bedrooms, living room, dinning room completely remodeled including all ceilings, walls and flooring. Since then, I have been unable to locate the cashiers check. I did not receive my coupons/tickets of sorts until late Jan of 2018 (Which I also misplaced for a short time). I have since been notified that an attorney was hired by the board to sue me for dues, late fee's and attorney fee's. Im extremely upset by this. I wrote a check dated March 9, 2018 for 4 months of 2018. which I made a copy of and they are now demanding a full year of dues prior to them being due. The law office said they mailed me a letter demanding a full year on March 12th, Which I DID NOT receive, stating that the full years dues are due by March 26th. I received another letter on March 26th, stating that they would not cash my check and demanded full payment. Its completely unreasonable in my opinion as they refused it last year and demand it this year.

Next, None of the snow or ice was removed and I fell not once but 2xs, which the association is responsible for, which is why I thought I pay my dues for. Last year I bought a lawn mower since my small area wasnt being care for. I dont use the pool. I dont use the common ground in anyway. The city plowed the streets because they were not having it done.

3rd, the association president told me I have to have a different type of homeowners insurance not condo, but homeowners Insurance. In reality, I own my home free and clear, as in no mortgage. According to state law in Iowa I am not required to have homeowners insurance which costs me about half of what I pay for taxes per year. Please keep in mind the president is an insurance agent himself, which I would think would be a conflict.

I feel like Im being Bullied.

HELP!!

BrandiS1 (Iowa)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrandiS1 on 03/27/2018 3:25 AM
Posted By BrandiS1 on 03/27/2018 3:03 AM
Greetings,

I am a new homeowner, closing on my property free and clear July 2017. Since purchasing I have spent over 70$ thousand updating just this inside of my home. I all dues, paid July 2017-Dec-2017 with a bank cashiers check in July of 2017. In October of 2017, I contacted my homeowners association president and met with him asking to pay all of 2018 in advance which I had a check in hand for at the time and he refused stating that I would have to wait until Jan 2018. Please keep in mind I had all 3 bathrooms, Kitchen, bedrooms, living room, dinning room completely remodeled including all ceilings, walls and flooring. Since then, I have been unable to locate the cashiers check. I did not receive my coupons/tickets of sorts until late Jan of 2018 (Which I also misplaced for a short time). I have since been notified that an attorney was hired by the board to sue me for dues, late fee's and attorney fee's. Im extremely upset by this. I wrote a check dated March 9, 2018 for 4 months of 2018. which I made a copy of and they are now demanding a full year of dues prior to them being due. The law office said they mailed me a letter demanding a full year on March 12th, Which I DID NOT receive, stating that the full years dues are due by March 26th. I received another letter on March 26th, stating that they would not cash my check and demanded full payment. Its completely unreasonable in my opinion as they refused it last year and demand it this year.

Next, None of the snow or ice was removed and I fell not once but 2xs, which the association is responsible for, which is why I thought I pay my dues for. Last year I bought a lawn mower since my small area wasnt being care for. I dont use the pool. I dont use the common ground in anyway. The city plowed the streets because they were not having it done.

3rd, the association president told me I have to have a different type of homeowners insurance not condo, but homeowners Insurance. In reality, I own my home free and clear, as in no mortgage. According to state law in Iowa I am not required to have homeowners insurance which costs me about half of what I pay for taxes per year. Please keep in mind the president is an insurance agent himself, which I would think would be a conflict.

I feel like Im being Bullied.

HELP!!



LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Do you have the receipt from the bank cashiers check? Does the bank say it was cashed? and by whom?
As far as requiring you to pay up front, read your governing docs regarding assessment collections.
have a copy of your cashiers check and demand a hearing before the board of directors that you paid your assessments.

Do you live in a condo or townhouse? Is your policy an HO6? There are some riders and addendum's that are required
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
BrandiS1, what do your governing documents (Declaration and Bylaws) say about the timeline for payment of the assessment? What do your governing documents say about insurance?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
The president probably asked you to wait until January until the 2018 budget was set, as that would affect the assessment if that increased.

Your association's policy sounds similar to my community - if 60 days go by without a payment (we pay assessments monthly), the account is accelerated, meaning all remaining fees for the year immediately become due and payable. By that time, we've turned the account over to the attorney and in addition to the late fees and assessment, the homeowner now has to pay the attorneys fees and a collection cost our management company charges when it has to send out two and three letters requesting payment.

All of this may sound unfair to you, but if it's in your collection policy, it's your responsibility to know it and act accordingly. It would have been nice if the president had reviewed this with you back in October. By the way, paying assessments and getting the services provided by the association are separate issues. If your snow wasn't shoveled, you can and should complain about that to find out why, but that doesn't relieve you of paying assessments (how else will the snow removal people get paid?) It doesn't matter if you use some services and not others (such as the pool). Our community once had a pool and I never used it, but because that was covered by the assessments, I couldn't deduct that part from my payment. Association living isn't like a cafeteria, where you might get the fish and chips, but skip dessert.

One more thing - it's great that you've put a lot of work and money into upgrading the house, but that has nothing to do with paying assessments either.

Personally, if someone came to me with a check for the entire year, (I was treasurer of my board), I'd take it! I would have also explained the assessment might increase, but if it did, you'd only be responsible for the difference - you could pay that in January or the amount paid would be applied every month until it ran out (say, June) and then you'd have to pay the rest of 2018 from that point.

Of course, that didn't happen here - or did it? At the time you offered this check, was your account current? If not, the check was probably applied against the balance and if it paid that off, you still have 2018 to to pay. Are you saying you offered the check, the president said no, you took the check home and have now misplaced it?

If that's what happened, that's on you - it might have been best to have that check cancelled and then get another one to pay 2018 and this time you'd know what the 2018 fee was. Ditto for the coupon book - apparently you did receive it at some point, so if you lost it, why not call the property manager to get another one? You could have also asked what the 2018 assessment was and pay it accordingly.

If the president took the check, it would seem to me it wouldn't have been necessary to send your account to collections because there would have been some money to apply against your account? Unless of course, you already had a previous balance - any money you paid last year would have been applied to that amount and once it's paid up, you must still proceed with 2018.

Now that the attorney is involved, you'll probably have to settle of of this with him/her. Ask for a meeting to make payment arrangements and that the association president attend so he can hear your side of all this. Hopefully, this can be settled without you paying any legal expenses or at least get a reduction of the same.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BrandiS1 (Iowa)
Posts: 6
Posted:
It was still attached to the cashiers check unfortunately. The president did actually see it when I handed it to him.
BrandiS1 (Iowa)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I was current, just had plans to return to my home in FL during the winter. So, as far as the home owner insurance requirements..?
BrandiS1 (Iowa)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I never received any warning, as in 2 or 3 letters. The only thing I was notified of was the president coming to my door to speak with me in person, but unfortunately I was in bed due to falling on the ice, hurting myself and was unable to get up for a few days. (sciatic nerve problems).

Unfortunately, after speaking with my banker and it was a cashiers check that was already drawn from my account, I am unable to put a stop on it and it becomes invalid after a time period. I am not able to duplicate it, nor refund it until it is found, if at all. (who knows which one of the different contractors working in my home it was and over half of my tools came up missing during that time period also.)

Now as far as the home owners insurance... I do not quite understand how an HOA can enforce homeowners insurance and a specific type when I am not required by law to purchase it. It s such a waste of money for years to be charged the outrageous amounts of over 75% higher than condo insurance. I've owned homes in the past paying well over $20 thousand out, with no claims and nothing to show for it. Im not understanding how the HOA can dictate what type of insurance. Had I known this prior to purchasing this place, I would have never wrote an offer.

Maintenance.. well having owned property in the past, the tenant could have withheld rent if it was not properly maintained (I never had that issue, but I did read about it.) So just complain? thats all? its been ignored already.. to the point like I said in the previous comments that I purchased a lawnmower , and have been looking for a snow throw/blower for a few months.

Whats the point in paying for stuff when its not getting done?
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CjC
Posts: 210
Posted:
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Posted By BrandiS1 on 03/27/2018 7:29 AM
I never received any warning, as in 2 or 3 letters. The only thing I was notified of was the president coming to my door to speak with me in person, but unfortunately I was in bed due to falling on the ice, hurting myself and was unable to get up for a few days. (sciatic nerve problems).

Unfortunately, after speaking with my banker and it was a cashiers check that was already drawn from my account, I am unable to put a stop on it and it becomes invalid after a time period. I am not able to duplicate it, nor refund it until it is found, if at all. (who knows which one of the different contractors working in my home it was and over half of my tools came up missing during that time period also.)

Now as far as the home owners insurance... I do not quite understand how an HOA can enforce homeowners insurance and a specific type when I am not required by law to purchase it. It s such a waste of money for years to be charged the outrageous amounts of over 75% higher than condo insurance. I've owned homes in the past paying well over $20 thousand out, with no claims and nothing to show for it. Im not understanding how the HOA can dictate what type of insurance. Had I known this prior to purchasing this place, I would have never wrote an offer.

Maintenance.. well having owned property in the past, the tenant could have withheld rent if it was not properly maintained (I never had that issue, but I did read about it.) So just complain? thats all? its been ignored already.. to the point like I said in the previous comments that I purchased a lawnmower , and have been looking for a snow throw/blower for a few months.

Whats the point in paying for stuff when its not getting done?
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The tenant can withhold rent, but it still gets paid into an escrow account. Once the courts decide the case, it either gets returned to the renter or to the owner. The payments still get made monthly. What type of house is this? townhouse, condo or single family house? Did you read all the docs before your purchase? Things like insurance should have been spelled out in the docs. I do understand that some HOAs require insurance if you are in a multifamily unit. If something were to happen, say a fire, and it spreads to other units they want to make sure you have the $ to cover.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
Brandi, don't waste your time talking about the past and renters and all that, stay in the present. Most of your questions can probably be answered by reading the governing documents of your association.

It sounds like you lost the check and you want the HOA to be responsible since they did not accept it when you offered it. That's not going to fly. Not paying your assessments because you feel they are not maintaining the common areas OR because you do not use the common areas is not going to fly either.

If you feel you have a legal case because of your fall(s), then I suggest you contact a lawyer.

You need to pay the assessments you owe. An HOA cannot operate properly when people do not pay their assessments.

Good luck.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DouglasM6 on 03/27/2018 10:13 AM
Brandi, don't waste your time talking about the past and renters and all that, stay in the present. Most of your questions can probably be answered by reading the governing documents of your association.

It sounds like you lost the check and you want the HOA to be responsible since they did not accept it when you offered it. That's not going to fly. Not paying your assessments because you feel they are not maintaining the common areas OR because you do not use the common areas is not going to fly either.

If you feel you have a legal case because of your fall(s), then I suggest you contact a lawyer.

You need to pay the assessments you owe. An HOA cannot operate properly when people do not pay their assessments.

Good luck.

I agree.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Not wanting to purchase insurance? BIG RED FLAG!!! Even if you own that home free and clear. Worst idea ever!

The last month I was in office, we had a tree fall on a house. It crushed the back half where the dining room was. It also took out a fence. Now the homeowner who's house was crushed had insurance. The owner next door who's tree fell onto the house did not. It was also used as rental. Let's guess what happened?

Well they tried to claim the HOA insurance should have covered it. It does NOT. It covers ONLY the clean up of the tree debris that fell on our common property. It was a $1500 check the HOA had to pay out. Which that expense was taken from ALL member's dues. The crushed owner's policy did cover the damage to their home. Guess who their insurance company went to collect the money from? The owner with no insurance. They went after them for the 20K of damage caused to the house.

So avoiding paying that few hundred dollars? It can turn into thousands easily. Even if you don't have a tree, your house can catch on fire. Guess what? If that happens, you may be required to rebuild your home on that lot. What if that fires spreads? You have to fork over the money to pay for the other damage that causes.

The HOA may not be able to force you to have insurance but you are a liability risk to everyone in your HOA. The HOA insurance isn't going to cover you. Instead your going to find yourself in a world of hurt if anything was to happen that causes damage to anyone else.

Former HOA President
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
Is your home a condominium? If so, there is one law that may help you.

If not a condo, is your HOA over 21 years old? If so, your covenant's may have expired.

In my opinion, the HOA should not have a lawyer involved in less than 90 days. How much are the legal fees so far?
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/27/2018 4:19 PM
Not wanting to purchase insurance? BIG RED FLAG!!! Even if you own that home free and clear. Worst idea ever!

The last month I was in office, we had a tree fall on a house. It crushed the back half where the dining room was. It also took out a fence. Now the homeowner who's house was crushed had insurance. The owner next door who's tree fell onto the house did not. It was also used as rental. Let's guess what happened?

Well they tried to claim the HOA insurance should have covered it. It does NOT. It covers ONLY the clean up of the tree debris that fell on our common property. It was a $1500 check the HOA had to pay out. Which that expense was taken from ALL member's dues. The crushed owner's policy did cover the damage to their home. Guess who their insurance company went to collect the money from? The owner with no insurance. They went after them for the 20K of damage caused to the house.

So avoiding paying that few hundred dollars? It can turn into thousands easily. Even if you don't have a tree, your house can catch on fire. Guess what? If that happens, you may be required to rebuild your home on that lot. What if that fires spreads? You have to fork over the money to pay for the other damage that causes.

The HOA may not be able to force you to have insurance but you are a liability risk to everyone in your HOA. The HOA insurance isn't going to cover you. Instead your going to find yourself in a world of hurt if anything was to happen that causes damage to anyone else.

Melissa, there are literally thousands of people who are self insured. If I were substantially wealthy, I too would not pay for insurance if it's not required. Many people do not pay vehicle insurance either for the same reason. They have to have a bond on file with the county I believe. Point is, it's not a big red flag. It's simply another way of doing things.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Well tell me how that works out for you when one of them crashes into your car or causes your house to burn down...Would you feel comfortable knowing your neighbor doesn't have insurance? Or have those who don't purchase insurance because they think the HOA's insurance covers them?

Former HOA President
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Brandi Ill give you one scenario about insurance. Yes the association can require you to have insurance and for some riders you have to name the master association as the
losee, why? Well have you ever leased a car? When you lease a car you don't own it, the bank does, you have to carry car insurance with values of 100,000/300,00/100,000
and carry GAP insurance AND name the bank as the lossee incase the vehicle is totaled. The same holds true with condo associations, especially towers. Water and mold damage is costly to repair. I worked at one high-rise condo where the owner of a unit in the top penthouse had an infinity spa, the pool cleaner left the water fill on and left the suite. Water overflowed from the 43rd floor down to the 25th floor before the water was finally shut off. The water damage affected over 50 units. The mold remediation and water
extraction alone cost over 1 million dollars. So this is just one reason why condo associations require owners to carry insurance with specific coverages.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/28/2018 4:10 PM
Well tell me how that works out for you when one of them crashes into your car or causes your house to burn down...Would you feel comfortable knowing your neighbor doesn't have insurance? Or have those who don't purchase insurance because they think the HOA's insurance covers them?

Melissa, It's none of my business whether or not my neighbor(s) has insurance. I have insurance that takes care of me and my possessions. Please do some research on being self insured. It happens a lot. Paying insurance premiums when it's not necessary is sometimes foolish.

If they crash into my car, my insurance will take of it. If my house burns down my insurance will take care of it. If my insurance company feels they have a case to subrogate, they can do so.

And I do not see where anyone assumed the HOA insurance would cover anything.

Back on topic-

Brandi- is your home a condo or townhouse? Or is it a single family stand alone home? If it's a condo or attached town home, I can certainly see how they could require insurance.

Insurance agents want you to have insurance for everything. Just as a car salesman wants everyone buying a car.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In my single family HOA our Covenants call for the HOA to be co-payee on any external home insurance claims. This means the owner can not just take the money and run leaving us with a burned out home.

We have had some insurance agents fight us on this but a letter from our attorney killed their objections.

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