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WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
We are concerned about financial issues with our MC.

1)Our bank statements are off from prepared financials.

2) The MC has admitted having problems with both book keeping personel as well as software (TOPS). He indicated that TOPS was transfering money into incorrect accounts.

3) They have indicated that they are trying to sort out the details but "dont be surprised if some accounts have balance changes".

Please - If anyone has any knowledge or experience on the order of steps to take to investigate, I would appreciate hearing your advise. This is sadly frequenly experienced so I was hope for a checklist. For instance -

1) Do we lock up the bank accounts.
2) Do we take control of our records, hard and soft?
3) Is there a special name for this type of audit?
4) Do we let the MC know that they are being investigated?
5) Do we contact other HOA's in MC portfolio?
6) At we point if at all do we contact the Authorities or State Boards?
7) When do we contact the homeowners?

We need some counsel on this
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
William,

Since the M/C has admitted "challenges" (not necessarily intentional or otherwise), I would request that the M/C agree to pay for an independent auditor to review the books/records, and to also provide some "SOP's" (standard operating procedures) to both the HOA and the M/C. This does not have to be "finger pointing" effort - just an effort to protect the HOA's funds, and also to assist the M/C put in place proper processes which (hopefully) will prevent another issue in the future.

If you are headed into "fiscal" year end audit (Sept 30th) then you can combine the audits (annual and one mentioned above), so that you save funds. Also I would strongly encourage you to make sure that all coorespondences are in writing with the M/C from this point forward. This is not toe antagonize, but to ensure that you have proper background information if the financial mistakes are deemed to be something "other."
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
I am the Treasurer of our HOA. We instituted SOP a few years ago for this reason.
First, we use TOPS. The program does not make transfers by itself. You need someone to input the transfers. This leads to who authorized them. Our BOD has complete control of the HOA money. Our MC provides us with office personnel and a bookkeeper. They check each invoice then I have to sign off. No check goes out unless it has 2 signatures from BOD members. No transfer is made without my knowledge. These SOP were put in place after we had a similar problem years ago.
I would request a forensic audit, to be paid by the MC. The BOD ultimately has a fiduciary duty to the HOA. Do you review your financials on a monthly basis? Our MC sends in a head bookkeeper on a monthly basis, she reviews the financials, then I sign off. If I have any questions they are taken care of then.
I agree with Jadedone4, that you should proceed with all correspondence in written form. This will protect the BOD from any finger pointing and to show the HOA that you have taken action to protect their assets.
The MC works for the HOA, you do not have to provide excuses. They admitted that there are mistakes. Keep in mind that the HOA members will hold the BOD responsible for any improprieties. You have to take a pro-active roll to prevent this from happening in the future.
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Yes - We have a monthly review of the financials PROVIDED by the MC. We also - have two BOD sign the outgoing checks.

Where we have fallen short, leaving an opening for error or fraud is the fact that :

1) many the HOA regime fee checks are made out to the PM company and we are curious if all funds have been put into our proper accounts.

2) we wonder if PM has transfered funds out of our accounts into some of their accounts.

3) There has not been a regular review of the actual bank statements by the treasurer or the board. I understand the treasurer has asked for the bank statements several times now.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
William,
Comments on your concerns:
1) Bank statements and prepared financials do not necessarily agree. What type accounting is being used - cash, accural, or modified accural? Cash accounting should agree.
2) Their explanation of problems with accounting software is not acceptable. IMO, TOPS is probably not the problem; it is probably the bookkeeper or else what you fear. The MC should be accepting responsibility for this problem and not trying to blame the software or their bookkeeper.
3) Require the MC 2 weeks to resolve their problems after which you require them to sit down face to face with the Board's appointed representative(s)and explain each discrepency. If necessary hire an accountant to help with this financial review.

If they can not provide satisfactory answers to your questions at that time then they should be terminated ASAP. Assume everything will turn out okay but prepare for your worst fear.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
WilliamS1:

The 2 Board members, as the check signees, can ask the bank for the statements; your Board needs to assume its fudiciary duty to the association by a complete review of the bank statements vs. paid expenses. If, after this, things look suspicious, you need to have an audit done.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
WilliamS1:
Re point 2): we wonder if PM has transfered funds out of our accounts into some of their accounts?

If the 2 Board members sign outgoing checks, and they are the 2 signatures on the "bank card", the PM has no authority to do any bank transactions against the associations account/s.
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Thank you all for you replies. I can use all the advise available.

The bank card does have the PM name on it to sign checks. We are not sure how it got there though.

Thanks
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Roger - I believe we are using a cash system because for instance, regime fees are shown as what was received and then on a seperate line, it shows accounts recievable (this period). Also our pool guy waits to send in a bill every three or four months and it does not show on our I/E statement until the month that the bill is received and paid. So does that sould like cash system?

Next - Here's the issue---
The PM gives us a monthly Balance Sheet which shows the bank accounts. This should represent month end bank statements I would imagin. As listed:

ASSETS
Cash in Bank - Operating
Cash in Bank - Reserves
Investments -
Accounts Receivable -Units
Accounts Receivable - Other

We got copies of the bank statements from him as well as the bank, those are the same but it does not come to the balances shown on the balance sheet for the month end. Way off XX,XXX off.

Please Advise

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
WILLIAMS1: IMO, IMMEDIATELY! remove the PM name from the bank card! It doesn't matter how it got there, you can ask the Bank to see the bank card w/signatures and dates of signing. Going forward, create a new bank card now with only Board member signatures.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
William, it does appear that you are on cash basis accounting. That is what we recommend for HOAs because everyone understands it - similar to a personal checking account. The bank statements should be the same as the cash in bank operating and the same as cash in bank reserves on the balance sheet!! So either the bookkeeping is wrong or else the MC may have lots of explaining to do.

My first impression was the bookkeeper simply entered payments into the wrong accounts. The discrepency between bank statements and balance sheet is the key method to verify accounting cash. This could be the case if an accounts receivable was erroneously, or failed to be, entered.

SOP recommended by us is:
1) MC is not a signee on any financial account;
2) All financial accounts reconciled every month (this is SOP in bookkeeping and accounting and would immediately illustrate the discrepency you found);
3) Finacial reports prepared at the end of each month - balance sheet, income statement, aging accounts receivable, general ledger accounts (as desired), and my favorite cash flow/budget chart by month;
4) All bank statements issued be received and compared to financial statements on a monthly basis; and
5) If desired, copies of all invoices sent to Treasurer.

With regard to two signatures on checks, does anyone know why their association requires this? Prehaps it makes the Treasurer feel more comfortable when another Board member also sign checks. The banks I work with require only one signature. So a Board policy of requiring two signatures does not prevent one signee from stealing funds. If that is your concern I recommend having fidelity (theft) insurance instead; it is inexpensive.
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerB on 08/08/2007 8:51 AM
William, it does appear that you are on cash basis accounting. That is what we recommend for HOAs because everyone understands it - similar to a personal checking account. The bank statements should be the same as the cash in bank operating and the same as cash in bank reserves on the balance sheet!!

With regard to two signatures on checks, does anyone know why their association requires this? Prehaps it makes the Treasurer feel more comfortable when another Board member also sign checks. The banks I work with require only one signature. So a Board policy of requiring two signatures does not prevent one signee from stealing funds.

Roger - there can be a considerable difference between the Bank statements and the balance sheet, simply due to unpresented items - at month end, there may be a small deposit in transit to the bank, and there can also be several checks not yet presented for payment.

As far as the 2 signer checks are concerned, Boards like to think that it as a safety feature, that one person cannot just spend funds, that there is someone else involved in disbursing the Associations funds. In CA, statute requires 2 signers on the Reserve account -
Civil Code 1365.5.(b) The signatures of at least two persons, who shall be members of the association's board of directors, or one officer who is not a
member of the board of directors and a member of the board of directors, shall be required for the withdrawal of moneys from the association's reserve accounts.

As far as to how MC signers got on an account, one of the frequent mistakes Boards make is to sign the signature cards and give them back to the MC to forward to the bank. The Board should mail their sig cards directly to their bank, and retain a copy for their files.

DaneC, CID banker.
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
RogerB,

We have an internal policy that there be two signatures on each check. The bank does not require it but it is a HOA safeguard. The feeling is, if there are two signers there is less chance for embezzlement. If only one signer there is no check on him. For two people to steal it is a lot harder. We do have fidelity insurance but if the HOA members feel safer with 2 signers, it does not hurt. I also feel more comfortable as a Treasurer that there is a person double checking me if a mistake is made.

Nothing is fool proof, as evidenced by one of our neighboring communities in Boca Raton. There were 2 signers and they were both stealing. They have both been charged with theft.

William, take the MC's name off of this account NOW! The bank statements themselves should be in the HOA office at any given time. If the MC wants a copy, provide it. The BOD should not have to ask the MC for anything relating to financials.

We have a Budget & Finance Committee. They also review the financials after I have approved them for releasing a monthly basis and they ask many questions. They sometimes make suggestions, but the BOD only has to review these suggestions. They are not the final say. This may be a help in your HOA.

Also do you have on your Balance sheet a previous month, yearly budget, and actual expense comparison. This, to me, is one of the simplest ways to find mistakes. If there is a mistake, it will usually jump out from the comparisons.

Do you have a contract with the MC? We pay one fee per month. If there are any other invoices from the MC, they are minimal. Such as additional postage for mass mailing or over-time billing for maintenance personnel. This happens once in a while, but normally there is only one check per month to the MC. I would review why the HOA sends the MC a lot of checks.
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Here for reference, are some of the financial controls in CA statutes. It may be more prudent to perform them monthly instead of quarterly. No.4 is monthly, by virtue of banks producing statements on a monthly basis.

(1) Review a current reconciliation of the association's operating
accounts on at least a quarterly basis.
(2) Review a current reconciliation of the association's reserve
accounts on at least a quarterly basis.
(3) Review, on at least a quarterly basis, the current year's actual reserve revenues and expenses compared to the current year's budget.
(4) Review the latest account statements prepared by the financial
institutions where the association has its operating and reserve
accounts.
(5) Review an income and expense statement for the association's
operating and reserve accounts on at least a quarterly basis.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DaneC on 08/08/2007 10:26 AM
< Roger - there can be a considerable difference between the Bank statements and the balance sheet, simply due to unpresented items - at month end, there may be a small deposit in transit to the bank, and there can also be several checks not yet presented for payment. DaneC, CID banker.

Dane, thank you for correcting my erroneous statement. The checking account usually is not the same because of the examples you stated. The Treasurer can get a copy of reconciliation form to clarify these.

With regard to bank statements, when we do the bookkeeping/accounting we receive all bank statements. The Treasurer is sent a copy and the original is filed with the association documents.
DaneC (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerB on 08/08/2007 11:20 AM
With regard to bank statements, when we do the bookkeeping/accounting we receive all bank statements. The Treasurer is sent a copy and the original is filed with the association documents.

Banks with dedicated CID divisions, offer as standard services -
Duplicate bank statements mailed directly to a designated board member, or
Online access to designated board member(s)to VIEW and PRINT bank statements only - they have NO accounting capabilities.

(Actually, accounting providers are sent an email on the morning after the last day of the month, advising them to open their online access and print the bank statements - no more waiting on the USPS, allowing for much quicker reconciling, and thus earlier board meetings.)
WilliamS1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 113
Posted:
Thank you all so much for you very good advise. I wish that I had asked this question six months ago.

We do have monthly comps for most all items on I/E statement as well as the balance sheet. We do review this every month, however we have not been comparing it with the actual bank statements.

I hope things clear up with an explanation, but right now it would seem our MC has transfered some funds out of the bank some time ago and has been keeping the bookwork representative of what we would expect. I hope I am wrong.

Thanks Again
This is good advise for anyone.

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