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NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:
Is it common for a board member to get paid to do work , even though that person does not have a business license?

The volunteer HOA which is what my neighborhood is, is NOW paying someone on the board to do landscaping. This person does not have a license to do so, and to me that seems also like a conflict of interest. This person has been paid over 300 in 2 months. which the HOA dues is very little to begin with.

Does this sound fishy to anyone? Also the county requires anyone doing work for money o have a business license? Wouldn't it make since to have the HOA hire a real landscaper to conduct business?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It depends. Our HOA had a policy of small jobs less than $100 just had to be approved. These were for small maintenance jobs like pressure washing, trimming bushes, or anything that is not needing a professional. Now things that were needing professionals or a contract those people had to be license/insured.

Besides there is no such thing as a HOA jail. So terms of "Illegal" really means against the HOA rules.

Former HOA President
NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:
Well this guy got paid around 300 in 2 months, and if that keeps up he will get over the 600.00 marker which usually means you have to do a 1099.

Should the HOA give him a 1099 to report to the IRS?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Well yes they should. Hopefully, they are not compensating by forgiving dues. Which is a HUGE mistake. The year's not up yet. Your accountant or Treasurer should know the answer. They are responsible at the end of the year.

Former HOA President
NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:
Ok thanks.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
How is the board member getting paid? Does he own a business and is that business being hired for the work? There is a possible conflict of interest but that's not automatically illegal or unethical. The conflict should be acknowledged at the board meeting where the hiring is approved and the board must approve it by a 2/3 vote.

Whose insurance covers him if he gets hurt doing the job? (assuming it's a "he")

My HOA is 100 homes on 25 acres and we have a lot of common property. One of our annual contracts is for "landscaping" services which is really just lawn mowing and bush trimming. That alone costs us over $1,000 a week and doesn't include fertilizing, bug and insect control or tree trimming. I mention this only to point out that $150 a month isn't a whole lot of money in the grand scheme of things. What does your board member do to earn that money? He should definitely be getting a 1099 at the end of the year.

You may or may not need to be licensed to do landscaping in Florida, it depends on the type of work being done. If any pesticides are being used in a commercial setting then the answer is generally "yes you need to be licensed". If the work is just cutting grass and trimming bushes then the answer is more likely "no".
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Doesn't sound good, Noah. Does he climb ladders? What if he falls, will your HOA insurance cover him?? What do the board minutes say about him being paid? Did the Board vote on this?

Are you on the Board, Noah?
NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:
I'm not on the board yet, but the board does NOT have insurance....so think this is a big mess there doing.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Noah,

Typically, Directors are not paid. In some Associations, Officers are paid. If paying an Officer, things there can be repercussions:

1) Perception - members don't always understand the difference between Officers and Directors. Therefore, it may appear that the Board is paying themselves.

2) Accounting - payment should never be in the form of reduced assessments. The individual should pay assessments in full and the Association should write a check for work done based on an invoice.

3) IRS - If an independent contractor, a 1099-misc will need to be issued if they are paid $600 or more. If an employee, there are various taxes and withholding's that must be done. The IRS can choose to make the determination for the Association if the individual is a contractor or employee. See: Independent Contractor (Self-Employed) or Employee? from the IRS

4) Protections under the law - Being paid means you are considered a professional vs. a volunteer. This eliminates the protections one may have under the law.
See: VOLUNTEER PROTECTION ACT OF 1997 and We Don’t Need Insurance—Volunteer Protection Act of 1997

5) Insurance - Using an uninsured contractor means that the Association will have to pony up for any injuries. It might not even be the individual making a claim. It could be the individuals insurance company looking to be paid back.

We do not pay Directors, Officers or Committee members. We do reimburse for expenses for work they do. As an Officer, I have done a lot of work for the Association that, perhaps, should have been done by a contractor. However, each individual and each board needs to make that decision on their own.

NoahA (Florida)
Posts: 212
Posted:
Ok lots of good info here, thanks.

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