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LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
An HOA across town got hit with a $20 Million dollar verdict because a kid got injured on a HOA owned swing set.

The 220 +/- HOA is managed by a managing company. This verdict has some of my neighbors talking, do we get rid of our play set? do we get rid of the pool?
Our MC said we are not liable if someone gets injured at the pool, so that begs to question. In the incident with the swing set injury, plaintiffs council cited the HOA did not
properly maintain the equipment leading to it's failure. The D&O policy has a 2M cap and now the homeowners are on the hook for $80,000.00 EACH.

There are allot of questions now like Why isn't the MC on the hook for bad advice? Why wasn't each homeowner served with notice of the lawsuit? Especially being on the hook to pay the share of the judgment.

The dust is still settling and there is no end in sight.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Why would the MC be responsible? They are a paid contractor to the HOA. They do not own or maintain that playground equipment. The HOA does. The HOA didn't do it's due diligence to maintain it safely. Thus they are on the hook for it. The MC could had screamed from the roof tops the playground equipment was bad. It still the HOA decision to spend the money.

Now if they actually get 20 million dollars is yet to be determined. Most of the time, these type of multi-million suits get reduced down or doesn't come out to 20 million. There's more to the settlement after insurance and a few more legal meetings.

Our HOA some people wanted a playground. I asked the insurance company directly about it. They too advised that it would not make any difference having it or not. We already had a pool. So I'd go straight to the source and not the MC.

A few years ago I looked into purchasing our own playground equipment. Found that you have to be careful what you purchase for "commercial/public" use. Those playgrounds that you can buy at Lowes or catalogs... READ the FINE print! Found out the warranty would not have covered use in a HOA/public use type area. The warranty is for private homeowner use. So it's not necessarily the liability but the replacement costs as well. The HOA voted down having a playground.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By LetA on 02/27/2018 5:21 PM

There are allot of questions now like Why isn't the MC on the hook for bad advice?

The same reason why attorneys are not on the hook for bad advice. It's the Associations decision, not the MC.
One could ask why didn't the Board research the issue on their own vs. only obtaining one opinion?

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Posted By LetA on 02/27/2018 5:21 PM

Why wasn't each homeowner served with notice of the lawsuit?

When an Association is incorporated, the legal action is between the corporation and the plaintiff.
Had the Association not been incorporated, every member would have had to be named in the legal action.
This is how being incorporated protects the membership.

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Posted By LetA on 02/27/2018 5:21 PM

Especially being on the hook to pay the share of the judgment.

The Association is on hook to pay the judgement.
The Associations income is from the members via assessments.
The Association, similar to another Association in Northern VA, could declare bankruptcy.

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Posted By LetA on 02/27/2018 5:21 PM

This verdict has some of my neighbors talking, do we get rid of our play set? do we get rid of the pool?

It sounds like the issue was lack of inspection and maintenance. What should be done is the Association should look into hiring a company to do annual or quarterly inspections of the playground. They should also verify what the MC is saying about pools, along with speaking with an attorney. The Board should also consider if they carry enough insurance.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
This case was mentioned on a local HOA website here -> LINK <-. Apparently 2 other swing sets were previously repaired and then the HOA opted out of a safety and inspection plan offered by the swing set’s installer.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Saw that in print.
75 cents per homeowner per year. That is what it would have cost to perform an annual safety inspection. Instead of blowing a wad of cash on landscaping, they should have scaled back by $200.00 IDIOT BOD's all the BOD's should lose their homes.

This it the same HOA that was fighting a developer from taking a privately owned park and developing apartments, which has been green lighted.

I'm guessing that concerned homeowners are going to be calling for a recall election, and some new BOD's will be installed.
FOX5 had a camera crew at the scheduled HOA meeting, but the meeting was abruptly cancelled. The BOD's feeeweeengs was hurt by the FOX 5 news coverage.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By LetA on 02/27/2018 9:55 PM
Saw that in print.
75 cents per homeowner per year. That is what it would have cost to perform an annual safety inspection.

The article said $150 per month for safety inspections.
So that would have been $8.18 per year per home (using the 220 number provided earlier).

Still a very small price to pay to remove the risk and minimize the chance of injuries.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Wonder what happened to warrant a $20 million judgment?

Your management company can provide a lot of valuable information and sometimes they do know the correct answer to some legal questions but remember they aren't attorneys or your insurance company. If you have questions about liability, don't be cheap or lazy - go to people who are qualified (or at least have more experience with such issues).

I'm sure heads will roll across town, but as for as your community is concerned, you might want to start an annual inspection of the pool and playground equipment, as Tim suggested. You may even want to consider if you got the right type of playground equipment - when we replaced ours, our president at the time did some digging and found the one we had WAS NOT up to Consumer Protection Safety Commission standards. Like many HOAs, it was thought getting one of those sets you see at a home improvement store would suffice, but those are actually designed for use in one's backyard and aren't sturdy enough for all the wear and tear a bunch of neighborhood kids might cause. There are also requirements about the size of the lot the equipment sits on, and a lot of other things we never dreamed of.

In the end, we found a commercial playground dealer (I think our president ended up calling the city parks department for a referral) and they came out and measures and we paid $5000 for the thing. That didn't make sense to some of our homeowners until we explained what was required and didn't want the association to get sued if a kid wound up getting hurt. They piped down. Granted, the set doesn't have all the bells and whistles you normally see (because people get sued if a kid gets on a swing set and falls out and that sort of thing), but little kids like playing on it and that's what we cared about. We figured the bigger kids would be playing football or double dutch anyway - if they couldn't find room around the community the parents could always take them down the street to the local park (we're a townhouse community originally designed for adults so it isn't easy)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Shelia,

If you read the articles, the 45 pound cross beam broke, fell and hit a teenager in the head.
The teenager is suffering from memory loss, migraines, muscle spasms and anxiety attack (brain injury due to concussion).

Apparently there were issues with other playgrounds the Association owned, so the case was more about negligence vs. a one time accident.

The HOA tried to lay blame on the MC saying the MC were responsible for safety inspections. The HOA also felt that the injury wasn't as severe as the individual was claiming. Therefore, rather then settling, they thought they would win and chose to go to trial.

The award was $10,000,000 (10 million) for pain and suffering and another $10 million for punitive damages.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I want to add that in reading that associations facebook page, there is still some denial.

However, one person spoke with an insurance agent about loss assessment coverage and that may be an option for members if they obtain the coverage prior to the HOA sending assessment notices. I had never heard of that coverage before. I may obtain it for my own home. Do an internet search for loss assessment coverage to learn more
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I had loss assessment coverage added to my homeowner's insurance policy to help in case of special assessments that are needed to cover stuff like this.

Sorry for the young man - we replaced our playground sets precisely because we were concerned about accidents like this and subsequent liability. The older ones weren't CPSC compliant anyway (thank God no one got hurt) and when we took a closer look, we found some parts were loose, some were rusted and the ground the equipment sat on had various glass shards and other stuff that could poke holes in little kids and adults. We'd also had issues with older kids who tore off the swings because they wanted the chains they hung from to use as weapons.

Today, our set is basically a jungle gym designed for very young children and it sits on rubber mulch, which should cushion any falls. It's not something bigger kids can climb on at all - and we have a bench nearby so people can sit and watch what's going on. When we installed it, a newsletter article warned if there was any misuse or abuse of the equipment, the Board would tear it down and it would not be replaced. Knock on wood, that seems to have prevented a certain amount of drama.

To other HOA board members - THIS is why preventative maintenance is important. You and/or the homeowners might squawk at spending the money, but 99% of the time, preventative maintenance will help you discover problems that are relatively easy and inexpensive to fix. Better that than coughing up $20 million down the road because someone didn't take the time to have a look at the playground equipment, roofing, balcony railings, etc.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Thank God this isn'y our association, this did get many of my neighbors concerned. We too have a jungle gym fort style play structure. they only mechanical things on it are those flip over letters like tic-tac-toe tiles and a plastic slide that was replaced two years ago. Our BOD is considering removing the water play pad because it is too cost prohibitive to keep repairing because the kids are constantly breaking the keyed lock on off switch.

The loss assessment is a good thing to know, I reached out to my agent to inquire about coverage.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/28/2018 4:02 PM
I want to add that in reading that associations facebook page, there is still some denial.

However, one person spoke with an insurance agent about loss assessment coverage and that may be an option for members if they obtain the coverage prior to the HOA sending assessment notices. I had never heard of that coverage before. I may obtain it for my own home. Do an internet search for loss assessment coverage to learn more


I have that in my homeowner insurance coverage. Essentially if the HOA is sued (not by yourself) and then on the hook for any lawsuit then your insurance will cover you for X amount that you have coverage for to cover your share of potential legal costs and/or any other claims. It is not expensive and worth its weight in not having to worry about stupid BS.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
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Posted By LetA on 03/02/2018 5:02 PM
Thank God this isn'y our association, this did get many of my neighbors concerned. We too have a jungle gym fort style play structure. they only mechanical things on it are those flip over letters like tic-tac-toe tiles and a plastic slide that was replaced two years ago. Our BOD is considering removing the water play pad because it is too cost prohibitive to keep repairing because the kids are constantly breaking the keyed lock on off switch.

The loss assessment is a good thing to know, I reached out to my agent to inquire about coverage.


A local city two years ago removed a “water play pad feature” due to legal liability. The recirculation of water and the potential hazards regarding the issue were not worth the liability.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
In my last relocation I specifically looked for an HOA with no amenities due to the cost and liability of such. I know many look for associations with amenities. All well and good but learn from this to cover yourself. Even if one covered them self, there will be those that will avoid and association with legal issues so be proactive and be sure the association is covered.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
I’m with you John ... my new HOA has no amenities. Our HOA fees are for only irrigation water and the main irrigation supply lines.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I also purchased my retirement home in an HOA with zero amenities.
$50 per year is all we pay.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/09/2018 2:52 AM
I also purchased my retirement home in an HOA with zero amenities.
$50 per year is all we pay.


Mine is $199.62 this year with new invoice received and only $100 is the HOA fees with the $99.62 my irrigation water fee for the just under 6 acres of land. We all pay different amounts for irrigation water based on size of lots. The $100 HOA fee was increased from $50 to $100 at our last meeting to implement a reserve fund which this HOA did not have in past and was a concern I addressed. I explained it was best to have a reserve fund established with small amount added each year for future repairs vs needing an immediate special assessment for thousands per owner at once.

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