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DayleT (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We are a not-for-profit incorporated HOA in Florida. We have two bank accounts; one for operating and the other is called the Legal Fund. The elder members claim that we cannot use any of the money in the Legal Fund. As Secretary of the board, I find this strange, and after reviewing the incorporation files, do not find anything related to not using this money. Does anyone know of a rule or law in Florida, that prohibits using this money?
CjC
Posts: 210
Posted:
How is it listed in the budget? We have a Reserve Account and it may only be used for projects specified. Could this "legal" account be a reserve account?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Not everything will be in the incorporation papers. Do these elder members tell you what the money is for? If not, why not?

I'm thinking it's probably some sort of reserve fund (why it's call the legal fund, who knows?) Reserves are normally used to pay for major repairs and replacement of the common areas such as roofing or street repaving. It should not be used to supplement the operating budget, which should be paying for routine monthly expenses. Go through as many old board meeting minutes as you can and see if there's and reference to this fund and what it's for - it may be the elder members don't know either but don't want to admit it, so it's easier to say the board can't use it.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Dayle,

If the funds were collected via special assessment for a specific reason, the Association can not use those funds for anything else.

If the funds were simply set aside from the operating funds, then they can be utilized for other things.

Do you have funds for Reserves (the expected maintenance, repair and replacement of capital components - streets, signage, sidewalks, fences, etc.)?

Have you investigated the reason why the legal fund was established (checked past copies of minutes, looked at board resolutions, etc.)?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By DayleT on 02/27/2018 12:39 PM
We are a not-for-profit incorporated HOA in Florida. We have two bank accounts; one for operating and the other is called the Legal Fund. The elder members claim that we cannot use any of the money in the Legal Fund. As Secretary of the board, I find this strange, and after reviewing the incorporation files, do not find anything related to not using this money. Does anyone know of a rule or law in Florida, that prohibits using this money?

Hi, Dayle, welcome to the forum. You should have separate accounts for operating funds and reserves. I've never heard of a "Legal Fund". What is its purpose? Was there a time when there was a lot of litigation or lawsuits involving the HOA?

It sounds like it MIGHT be a rainy day fund for unseen legal expenses in which case it could be considered a reserve for legal expenses, but to have that funded without other reserve accounts would be very odd. If it is a reserve fund then there should be some descriptive text somewhere that spells out exactly what its purpose is. And if it is a reserve fund and you're keeping statutory reserves then tapping it for something else would require the approval of the homeowners.

FS 720.303(6)(h) says, "Reserve funds and any interest accruing thereon shall remain in the reserve account or accounts and shall be used only for authorized reserve expenditures unless their use for other purposes is approved in advance by a majority vote at a meeting at which a quorum is present."
DayleT (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank you so much for your reply. I believe that it is the reserve fund and they have called it the "legal fund" when we were incorporated. I agree the purpose was probably to be used for any litigation (we've never used it for that purpose). Unfortunately there is no document outlining what the usage is for.

I suppose a simple fix would be to amend the bylaw to rename the account to a "reserve fund" and outline in the bylaws what it is to be used for.

Thanks again.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Ideally you would have a reserve study to determine if your level of reserves are appropriate. You can pay to have one done, or do it yourself. Here is a link to Tim's post about reserve studies:
http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx

Florida state law as Geno pointed out has a little to say about reserves, but you might also want to check local laws. For example, my county (Orange), has a gated community ordinance that has specific requirements for reserves for various infrastructure components that the association is responsible for (roads, storm drainage system, etc.) as well as inspection requirements (a professional engineering inspection every 3 years).

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
DouglasK1 I wasn't aware of that Orange County ordinance so thanks for mentioning that. Very interesting (even though I'm not in Orange County)!
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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I'm not sure what other counties do, but if you haven't found the ordinance already, it is here:
http://orangecounty-fl.elaws.us/code/coor_ptii_ch34_artviii_div2_sec34-291

To summarize for others following this thread who don't want to follow the link:
(a) Required HOA asset accounts. The HOA must create, deposit monies into, retain in perpetuity, and replenish from time to time the following accounts, which are referred to in this article collectively as the "required HOA accounts":

(1) A routine-infrastructure-maintenance account;

(2) A capital-repair/streets account;

(3) A capital-repair/drainage pond account;

(4) A capital-repair/other infrastructure account; and

(5) A storm debris removal account.


I did probably the first ever reserve study (or at least an attempt) and modeled it around these buckets because we're supposed to provide an annual accounting to members to show that we meet these obligations.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.

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