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DavidT15 (Delaware)
Posts: 4
Posted:
We are doing a full reserve study every 5 years (with in house annual updates). The in house updates have no cost, since we do it ourselves. The full study will be accomplished by a reserve study firm. So funding for the reserve study is not an annual operating budget line item but will appear every 5 years.

The cost of the study will be somewhere between $5,000 to $7,500 depending on the scope. Can we pay for the reserve study out of the reserve funding. Why or why not?

The reason we want to pay for it out of reserves is to avoid have perturbation in the operating budget which we strive to keep relatively stable from year to year.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In CA, we only can pay for items listed in the reserve study. We too have a highest level study every 3 years and less extensive ones otherwise. Since we know this $ when we plan our budget, it's always in our operating budget.

There's a four part test used nationally by reserves analysts to see if something qualifies & it must be a component that last longer than a year.

We have about 80 components and our highest study costs about$3500, so 5-7k sounds like a lot!
DavidT15 (Delaware)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks Kerry, follow up question then. Since it is in your operating budget does that mean you every 3 years you have a spike in the budget? How does that affect assessments and the objective to keep them consistent?

And yeah, we have things like a bridge, foot bridge, beach, seawall, private roads, etc. Not just a clubhouse and pool. So it's a bit more expensive.

Thanks,

Dave
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
How big of an association do you have that you need to spend that much money on a study?

I would think that it's INappropriate to pay for that from reserves that are designated for actual maintenance and repair.
DavidT15 (Delaware)
Posts: 4
Posted:
See my follow answer to Kerry above. It's not the size of the association. It's the type of reserve components that we have.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Whew--a beach & especially seawall makes your study pretty expensive especially for an onsite visit by the analyst.

Unfortunately, dues go up in our HOA very year. The lower level studies done in years 2 or 3 also are about $2,000 & $1,500 so the additional $ for the full study isn't that much of a boost--our budget for our twin towers is pretty big as it is.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
David,

Reserves are for capital components. The study of capital components is not a component itself. Therefore, it should come from the Operating funds.

Like you, we also do a Reserve Study every 5 years. This is paid from the operating fund. It does "spike" the operating budget but that is offset by reducing other line items (like tree maintenance, Miscelleanous line items (which serves as our buffer for under funded items)). We try to keep any increase within 5%.

We also have an audit every other year. This also "spikes" the budget. However, this is offset by reducing other items as well.

DavidT15 (Delaware)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks Tim. That's helpful.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Yes, Tim explained it very well.
JamesG (Connecticut)
Posts: 83
Posted:
I would create an "operating" reserve account and deposit annually enough funds to capture the total study cost every 5 years. Therefore there is no spike in the fee to pay for the reserve study.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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You will need to check applicable statutes. It can probably be done but needs to be done properly, formalized resolution from the Board, etc.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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For what it's worth, our latest Reserve Study was performed by a local, professional engineering firm that, among other things, specializes in doing Reserve Studies. In the report there is a line item for "Reserve Fund Study Update" every 4 years with a cost for that study . . . meaning that we set aside funds in the Reserve Account to pay for the study every 4 years.

You can find opinions and interpretations to support either way of doing this . . . money coming from Reserve Account or from the Operating Account. Honestly I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would significantly object and with a substantial enough counterargument against putting money in the Reserve Account for this purpose. It's the method that makes the most sense to me, is financially in the interest of the HOA and its members, and is most palatable for homeowners since you're not having to adjust the operating budget (and possibly the annual assessments) every few years to offset the additional expense. Also, it makes sense for Boards that have potential to change ever 1, 2, 3 years. Having it in the Reserve Study/Account helps the changing Boards keep track of when it was done and needs to be done in the future.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By ND on 02/26/2018 6:32 AM
Honestly I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would significantly object and with a substantial enough counterargument against putting money in the Reserve Account for this purpose. It's the method that makes the most sense to me, is financially in the interest of the HOA and its members, and is most palatable for homeowners since you're not having to adjust the operating budget (and possibly the annual assessments) every few years to offset the additional expense.

That all makes sense. Unfortunately, in some states it's against the law. At the very least, the funds should be kept in a separate account, like some associations have for insurance deductibles.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Because of the cost of the study and the infrequency, there would be no harm paying from your reserve account. Have it added to the component list with an lifetime of 5 years.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By RichardP13 on 02/26/2018 3:10 PM
Because of the cost of the study and the infrequency, there would be no harm paying from your reserve account. Have it added to the component list with an lifetime of 5 years.

I did a litte reading and am inclined to agree with this. The definition of reserves in FL does include other funds restricted as to use. Since the use is restricted to funding a study every so many years, it does fit the definition.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Richard's approach makes sense for many Associations as it meets the four-part test, which is a national standard for reserves studies. #4 generally is .5% - 1% of the annual budget. In other words, there's no reason to clutter the study with inexpensive components.

• Test #1: The component must be a common area maintenance responsibility
• Test #2: The component must have a limited Useful Life (UL).
• Test #3: The component must have a predictable Remaining Useful Life (RUL).
• Test #4: The scope of work must be above a minimum threshold cost.

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