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JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Our election was held on the 28th of January (contrary to our bylaws) and only 1 out of 4 previous board members ran to be re-elected. On the 15th of January the previous board hired a management company and handed over all our files to them. We held our organizational meeting on February 1st called by the management company. We have issues with our financial situation and have been trying (through various people) to see the books. They never let anyone see them. We found out the old treasurer is still on our bank account as having signing authority. We requested to go to the bank to have her removed and the new president added. This request was refused by our treasurer (was the president/vice president) of the old board. Today we got a recall notice for two of the new board members from the management company. We feel our building is at risk and money has been misappropriated. What can we do?
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
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You do not need the Treasurer's permission to change signatures. The board can also appoint a new, different treasurer at the next board meeting.

The President and other board members should take the minutes from the annual meeting and the minutes from the organizational meeting and any other documentation they have, and go to the bank and change the signatures. Maybe don't tell the treasurer you are doing this?

While at the bank, get online access to the accounts, and then use the online banking to see and print past bank statements and cancelled checks to review them for the issues.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I'm with Jeff. No officer decides to change signatures, the Board does via its vote at a meeting.

and what the heck does this mean: "Today we got a recall notice for two of the new board members from the management company."

I don't know FL statutes, but what IS a "recall notice?" Is it a petition signed by owners? Or is it signed by the MC?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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How many directors is your HOA supposed to have, Jill? How long are their terms?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Are you in a condo or HOA, JillC3?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
And also, how many units in the association? A recall notice has to be signed by a majority of the owners. How many owners in your association? It sounds like a small group working in conjunction with the new management company. Would a small group of owners be enough for a majority?

If you're in a condo then you could be in for a rough time. The FL legislature updated FS 718 last year and completely screwed up the recall provisions. They're working to fix it this year, but for now it's a real mess. Are you one of the new directors?
JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
It is quite evident that the board does not want to give up it's power even though they did not run for office. Our condo is a 24 unit building (one unit unoccupied) Since my last post I am no longer on the board. They had 16 owners vote against me and therefore I was automatically removed. Our board consists of 5 people and two of us were recalled leaving only two (the president, Treasurer and secretary [who was added after the election)}. They have since assigned two new board members without a meeting and without the president being invited. They called meeting to identify who recalled us but the board members did not attend. The management company informed me.I mentioned I wanted my time to explain and was promised I would be allowed to talk at the first meeting held.

I don't even know most of the people who voted to have me recalled but they are listening to an owner who for whatever reason has an ax to grind.

Our building has many issues not the least of which is our roof, we are in litigation to have an approved owner's fiance removed from the building because of mischief and our past treasurer was paying herself and her boyfriend for various things not approved by the board or the owners.

We finally had won the majority vote on the board and now our attempts to win that majority have been dashed because of lies and language problems. (French not understanding English)

I am at my wits end.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/10/2018 6:19 PM
I'm with Jeff. No officer decides to change signatures, the Board does via its vote at a meeting.

and what the heck does this mean: "Today we got a recall notice for two of the new board members from the management company."

I don't know FL statutes, but what IS a "recall notice?" Is it a petition signed by owners? Or is it signed by the MC?

Petitions to Recall are generally sent to the agent of record, in this case most likely the MC.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
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You said: "Our election was held on the 28th of January (contrary to our bylaws). . ."

As soon as you stepped outside the power of your bylaws, anything you did was invalid.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Jill

Right or wrong, like it or not, it appears you were properly recalled. 16 of 24 agreeing. Either accept it and move on, start another recall, or seek legal counsel.

Your choice.
JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I wish it was that easy, The management company is saying our bylaws are out of date and therefore invalid.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Jill

The MC is hired by the BOD and generally/legally does what the BOD wants. Change the BOD then change the MC.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
This is a complicated situation and it sounds like your management company has a different perspective. I think the only good advice is to talk to an attorney. Chances are good that your management company is acting on an attorney's advice.
JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
according to our bylaws 2 the president and vice president with 1 year terms.

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By JillC3 on 02/15/2018 11:54 AM
I wish it was that easy, The management company is saying our bylaws are out of date and therefore invalid.

How so? You are entitled to file an election dispute with the Florida Division of Business and Professional Responsibility, the DBPR. They will appoint an arbitrator to hear the case and make a decision. You have 60 days to file a dispute and, yes, you may have to hire an attorney to help you with it.

What do your "out of date" bylaws have to do with anything? The Florida statutes set the requirements for recalls in both condos and HOAs and supercede anything in the bylaws. Maybe that's what the MC was saying.
JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
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Have been told if they have the majority of the building recalling me then I am off the board and have no recourse. The only way I could use the above process if I didn't have the majority..
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Sorry, Jill, I don't know what this means: "according to our bylaws 2 the president and vice president with 1 year terms." what is it responding to, too.
JillC3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
This answer was suppose to go to Kerry above but somehow ended up on your post. Sorry.

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