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JenniferM15 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Our condominium board has had an ongoing lawsuit for over seven years.

The result is the condominium association fees have gone from $250
per month to $550 per month plus a new special assessment fee of 386
per month. I am now paying close to 1000 per month,

I sent in a money order that was dated the tenth considered on tim. I am not sure what took
13 days but it was not posted until 23rd.

This month in addition to my thousand dollar payment I was assessed 300 in late fees.
$150 for the special assessment and $150 for the regular assessment. Is this legal?

My building is located in Chicago's Fulton area district. We are the
only building that is selling at a loss due to the lawsuit. Buyers cannot get
Mortgages to buy in our building. Investors buy the condominiums for under
the original asking with cash.

I am a single mother. I don't know that I can afford these assessments and I cannot sell.

Any ideas?

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
The fee structure should located in your CC&R's. If it is not then you may have some standing. Find a buyer for cash and write off the loss on your taxes.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Look up loan sharking.

In reviewing five CCRs' for high rise Condo's in the Chicago area, it appears assessments are due on the 1st and delinquent by the 10th. It also appears they can throw everything but the kitchen sink (maybe even that), such as interest and attorney fees.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
First, you should read the governing documents from your OWN association to make sure they are at least following them. Many assume that all community associations have the authority to impose special assessments but there has to be authority from somewhere. It would normally be in the Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions (CC&Rs) but there could be authority in the state code. You should also make sure they followed the proper procedure for raising the assessments and fees. Usually your CC&Rs or bylaws specify the process.

In any case, I would reach out to whoever manages the association and ask why they believe you paid late. If there is any doubt, maybe they will remove the late fees.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
If you can prove you submitted your payment on time, then why not contact them to prove it? Sounds like an accounting error. Best to ask why it took so long for them to get the payment and post it?

A HOA is only funded by it's members for it's members. Hence, when someone decides to sue, you ALL on the hook. It's always best to try to resolve the issue prior to going to court or as a group.

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/30/2018 3:45 PM
If you can prove you submitted your payment on time, then why not contact them to prove it? Sounds like an accounting error. Best to ask why it took so long for them to get the payment and post it?

A HOA is only funded by it's members for it's members. Hence, when someone decides to sue, you ALL on the hook. It's always best to try to resolve the issue prior to going to court or as a group.

Outside of a cancelled check, actually how do you prove payment was submitted on time? Postmarks mean nothing. Payments not received by such and such date are deemed to be delinquent.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
They said they submitted on the 10th. Should have been dated. Don't know why a postmark means nothing. It's on the envelope.

Besides it's NOT the submittal time but the PROCESS the accounting uses. When do they gather and post the money received? That is NOT known. If I know that they post everything on the 15th and everything after the 15th is considered "late", then I know my check written on the 10th should NOT be "late".

Former HOA President
JenniferM15 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
The building manager said it’s due on the first. I sent her a copy of the money order. I don’t think the charges will be reversed.

Between the seven year lawsuit, the crazy late charges, the special assessment, lack of customer service, crazy budget, condo value going down. Did I mention Google built their new offices three blocks away? Tear downs a block away are getting big money.

I just plain give up. Thank you ideas.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/30/2018 4:11 PM
They said they submitted on the 10th. Should have been dated. Don't know why a postmark means nothing. It's on the envelope.

Besides it's NOT the submittal time but the PROCESS the accounting uses. When do they gather and post the money received? That is NOT known. If I know that they post everything on the 15th and everything after the 15th is considered "late", then I know my check written on the 10th should NOT be "late".

First, I don't see the envelopes. Everything goes directly to the bank through a lockbox system. Everything is posted the day after the bank receive the check.

Second, let's say they do online banking and tell their bank to pay HOA dues on the 10th. A check has to be proceeded and mailed from the bank. Banks don't cut one check at a time, they do it in batches. I have seen it take ten days.

Then you rely on Pony Express, or the USPS.

Just like the mortgage, assessments are due on the 1st, and delinquent, after the date set forth in your CCRs. In five Condos in the Chicago area, all were delinquent after the 15th. When dealing with a building that has $1000.00 a month dues and probably in debt up to the wazoo, they may be using an attorney or law firm to send out late notice, which could be done in house, but done by the law firm to strike fear in everyone.
JenniferM15 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I just looked through all the late fee posts. Everyone is complaining about 50.00 late fees.

Mine is $300.00 because they posted the check late. I cannot even afford the 10000 assessment. Trust
me if I went to the bank I wouldn't qualify.

I would love to sell my unit but due to a lawsuit no one qualifies for a mortgage.

On top of everything I got a 250 charge to fix my toilet on the same bill.

We have a tiny health club. That's it! So for 1500 this month I got
a fixed toilet.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
I suspect that the special assessments are to pay the legal fees of the lawsuit.
The fact that sales have dropped off is the unintended consequence of legal action.

You may want to gather support and elect directors that will settle vs. fight battles through the courts (of course this is said with zero knowledge of what the suit is about).
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 01/30/2018 4:00 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/30/2018 3:45 PM
If you can prove you submitted your payment on time, then why not contact them to prove it? Sounds like an accounting error. Best to ask why it took so long for them to get the payment and post it?

A HOA is only funded by it's members for it's members. Hence, when someone decides to sue, you ALL on the hook. It's always best to try to resolve the issue prior to going to court or as a group.


Outside of a cancelled check, actually how do you prove payment was submitted on time? Postmarks mean nothing. Payments not received by such and such date are deemed to be delinquent.

Postmarks mean ALLOT. For instance, if a payment was postmarked the 29th and the payment wasn't entered until the 12th and the HOA charged late fees, that is a BIG deal.

Our MC keeps all envelopes from owners both from mailed in assessments and ballots for just this situation.

I will tell you this much, our MC is very lenient on assessing late fees, they usually won't charge the late fee until after the 12th or 13th day.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
The IRS for years required that tax returns mailed had to be POSTMARKED by midnight the day the taxes were due.

Having working for a large mortgage/servicing company, don't know of any policy using the postmark date in making your mortgage payments.

Many management companies, including mine, use a LOCKBOX service provided by their bank. It actually reverses the process in that the money is deposited into the association's bank account before it is posted to their account. If it is deposited on the 1st, I will posted on the 2nd. I might handle 5 checks manually that are mailed directly to my office or dropped off by a resident.

To go back to the issue with the OP, without seeing the statement showing the breakdown of fees, they may be breaking the law. The general rule of thumb, and it came from the mortgage industry, is to charge 10% or $10.00 , whichever is greater. If regular rules were followed, it should have been $55.00 for the assessment and $38.60 for the special assessment. The rest could be legal or collection fees, which should be a separate line item, not lumped together.
JenniferM15 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for saying it might be against the law to charge 300.00 in late fees.
I didn't sign up for this high assessments and I am trying my best to pay it on
time. To force a condo owner to pay an extremely high assessment and add unfair
late fees that are way above any other late fees Chicago feels wrong.

I have never seen a 300 late fee. Can I ask to see all the other accounts in the building to
see it they were charged the same fee?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You can ask about your account but not others. Reason being would you want someone asking about yours and it given to them? I would just concentrate on your situation. Your issue is the late fee is too high and you paid on time. It sounds like a possible mistake or bad practice. If you have the proof you paid on time, then find out the process of how they do their accounting.

Sounds like it may be time to rent the place out and find another place to live till you can sell. The assessments then become tax deductible if used as rental property. Right now they are not. Which may be an option for you till you can find a way to sell out.

Former HOA President
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JenniferM15 on 01/31/2018 7:18 PM
Thank you for saying it might be against the law to charge 300.00 in late fees.
I didn't sign up for this high assessments and I am trying my best to pay it on
time. To force a condo owner to pay an extremely high assessment and add unfair
late fees that are way above any other late fees Chicago feels wrong.

I have never seen a 300 late fee. Can I ask to see all the other accounts in the building to
see it they were charged the same fee?

You have a right to see what they charge for late fees but they probably do not have to give you information on other members' accounts. In some states that would probably violate privacy laws.

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