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DinahT (South Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
In our CCR it states that Boats, Commercial Vehicles and Recreational Vehicles can only be on a lot if: in an enclosed area, to the rear of the house or otherwise appropriately screened from view from the street.

My question is: Can the BOD state in the Rules and Regulations or ACC Guideline Standards that "parking a motorized vehicle on any grassed area is prohibited"? Example: A commercial vehicle that is parked to the rear of the home but is parked in the grass/yard area. Can it be stipulated in the R&R or the guidelines that any automobile needs to be parked on a concrete slab?

Any opinions on this matter is appreciated.

Thank you!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Sure it can... IF you get a majority of homeowner's to agree to vote and modify your CC&R's to state that. The number needed and voting is all in your documents. Keep in mind once you get the vote, then your HOA has to file it with the court system. Your HOA will need to hire a lawyer for drafting and filing purposes. There is a charge to file. Plus your HOA may or may not decide to distribute the new documentation to all owners.

Your HOA governs itself and can make the rules it wants to live by (as long as legal). The whole process is in your hands.

Former HOA President
DinahT (South Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for your response! We don't want to change the CCR as it states "to the rear of the home". Just wanting to verify that we could put in the R&R and guidelines a more detailed description on where one can park a vehicle. Can anyone just park a commercial vehicle in the yard as long as it is "to the rear of the home"? We wanted to put more of a specification for not parking in the grass but on a concreted surface.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
And what is the punishment for not doing so? How your going to prove to a court of law if it's not properly documented? Sorry to burst your bubble with some hard facts. You all need to vote (NOT just board, document it, and file it if you want any power to enforce. Plus need to have a fining schedule in place in order to fine/punish.

Former HOA President
DinahT (South Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you,

We do have details set, time frames and fining information. Our CCR states that the BOD can create and change at any time the Bylaws and R&R guidelines. I know that a CCR can state you can't have more than 2 dogs but the R&R can give a weight per dog. That is what I was wanting to verify. Can we as a Board give a more specific description to the CCR and be able to enforce it. We do not have to have our R&R guidelines filed with the county. Our documents state at any time the current BOD or if a new BOD wishes to change items specified in the guidelines they can do so.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
My question is, why does it bother you that much if an RV, Boat or commercial vehicle is parked according to the CC&R's behind the house and behind a fence weather the vehicle is parked on grass, crushes gravel or a concrete or asphalt slab, what business is it of yours?

Remember, amending the CC&R's are costly and to do so they should be done because it is reasonable? Will changing the CC&R's for this be reasonable?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Do these rear-of-home areas belong to the HOA? Or, to the home owner?

And like LetA, I'm curious too about your need for such a rule, Dinah.
DinahT (South Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
My concern is that their neighbor doesn't want the homes in this neighborhood looking like a trash heap with cars parked all over the backyard. No, the home in discussion is not fenced or screened by trees.It was a simple question that was asked of me as a board member and I just joined this HOATalk and thought I could get feedback because I didn't know the proper answer.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Rules created through the authority of the CCRs have to be "fair and reasonable and that goes for all states. If not, then you would the CCRs, not by the majority of owners, as one stated, by by then percentage outlined in the CCRs. Making people put in the expense of a slab of concrete because of ONE neighbor is not reasonable.

In regards to pets and changing the size, again, same scenario. It might be considered fair if you were changing to no pets over 15 lbs and the complex was a condo, but it wouldn't be reasonable to have the same limitations on single family detached one acre lots.
DinahT (South Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for your reply.

One more question. Our CCR states you can have 1 accessory building but has no limits on the minimum sq.ft. Could a minimum be established? The CCR states also that "as long as approved by the ACC" We just took over the HOA from the declarant not long ago and the CCR are vague.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Dinah, the answer to your basic question is possibly: Yes the Board can establish a rule or guideline which says "No parking on the grass".

Depending upon the language in your CC&Rs, the Board may be empowered to establish "reasonable guidelines"; similarly, "unless determined otherwise by the Board" language may be present. There are other constructs under which boards may develop guidelines which may be considered more restrictive than the base language in the documents. The extent to which the Board may develop, publish, and place into effect guidelines has to be evaluated, possibly by an attorney who specializes in HOA matters, to determine what the Board may or may not do with confidence should there be a challenge.

The other fly in the ointment may be language in your local property code which imposes conditions regarding parking the RV or boat in the front yard, back yard, side yard, viewable from the street, running condition, current license and registration, etc. Your CC&Rs may also impose similar conditions. Several local cities in this area absolutely prohibit parking anything with wheels on the grass larger than a Radio Flyer red wagon or a bicycle.

It is not easy to interpret association governing documents. It is usually not wise to extract a sentence and base an argument, interpretation, or discussion on a sentence or provision alone without considering the totality of the empowering or limiting language within the CC&Rs or other governing documents.
DinahT (South Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for your response.

I will bring this up at the next meeting and suggest we meet with a lawyer to outline what can and can not be done.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
It sounds, Dinah, like this lot owner isn't following your existing covenants: "the home in discussion is not fenced or screened by trees," is that right?

I can see that your question would seem to be simple, but as you can see in Bill's reply things probably are more complicated. But, it seems to me you might be able to and, with Richard, no need for an Owner vote as you may not need to change your CC&Rs at all.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Dinah

The vehicle being parked behind the house in an enclosed area has nothing to do with what is under that vehicle. Either it is not observable from the street or it is not.

By your wording, it might not have to be enclosed just as long as it is not observable from the street such as parked tight up along the backside of he house.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Dinah

Establishing a minimum or maximum square footage could be an issue. Yes the ACC could set up some guidelines (size, materials, etc.) under which they will approve an out building so maybe that is how to control it. I have seen an ACC get in trouble for not approving any out buildings but rarely for setting guidelines.

I must warn you out buildings and motorhomes/trailers, etc in backyards has the potential for making a trashy looking neighborhood. Myself, I would allow neither.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
No. Any restrictions on individual properties would have to be in the CC&Rs. Guidelines are often used to explain restrictions in simple terms and sometimes give the board's interpretation of CC&Rs. Rules and regulations are sometimes used the same way. For our association, rules and regulations only apply to common areas.

In most of the cases that I've read about when it comes to restrictions on individual private property, guidelines and rules and regulations are not even mentioned because the CC&Rs should stand alone.

This is the general rule but each state has different laws and case law.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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Posted By DinahT on 01/24/2018 8:34 PM
Thank you,

We do have details set, time frames and fining information. Our CCR states that the BOD can create and change at any time the Bylaws and R&R guidelines. I know that a CCR can state you can't have more than 2 dogs but the R&R can give a weight per dog. That is what I was wanting to verify. Can we as a Board give a more specific description to the CCR and be able to enforce it. We do not have to have our R&R guidelines filed with the county. Our documents state at any time the current BOD or if a new BOD wishes to change items specified in the guidelines they can do so.

In this case the board would have no authority to enforce the size of the dogs since the CC&Rs don't mention it. If the CC&Rs stated you could not have "large dogs" then in some states the board could use the guidelines to define how big is "large" but in some states they would not. For example, in Texas if the restriction is ambiguous, the courts have to rule in favor of the free use of land (in favor of the owner).
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 01/25/2018 5:33 PM
Dinah

Establishing a minimum or maximum square footage could be an issue. Yes the ACC could set up some guidelines (size, materials, etc.) under which they will approve an out building so maybe that is how to control it. I have seen an ACC get in trouble for not approving any out buildings but rarely for setting guidelines.

I must warn you out buildings and motorhomes/trailers, etc in backyards has the potential for making a trashy looking neighborhood. Myself, I would allow neither.

The ACC may not get in trouble for setting guidelines but they will if they try to enforce a restriction they invented which is not in the CC&Rs.

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