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BoardM2 (Nevada)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We need to get our severely past due owners motivated to pay their HOA dues. We'd like to report the delinquencies to the 3 major Credit Reporting Agencies, does anyone know if this can be done and how best to handle this?
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Yes. There is an agency that is set up to do this. Can't tell you who as it would violate the site's posting rules.

Personally, I would be against such a policy. Why?

Correct me if I am wrong, BUT, isn't everything that is reported to a credit bureau, something that the creditor has a signed contract for. Can anyone on this site provide a signed contract by a homeowner to agree to the conditions that the governing documents dictated?
I have done many escrow packages for HOA's and there has been a few that don't have copies of their governing documents and no governing documents were actually sent to homeowners.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The HOA is NOT allowed nor has the need for anyone's social security number. That is the typical information that one needs to report to the credit bureaus. HOA's are not one of those that the law requires social security numbers be disclosed to.

Your much better off following your documents which is for lien or foreclosure. A lien is much stronger than a lawsuit or credit reporting. The person can NOT sell their home unless they pay off the lien. Foreclosure are just "stop the bleeding" procedure.

Keep in mind that one can't lien/foreclose in many states for anything but unpaid dues. 1 exception for liens is that if the HOA pays to fix a violation and owner does not pay that bill, then that may be lien. (It's also considered damages). That exception is pretty rare and used instead of fines.

I do not recommend a HOA reporting overdue dues to the credit bureau as a practice of collection or intimidation to pay. Too many factors involved. Institute a policy instead of if you don't pay in this X amount of time, we lien. Still don't pay we consider a foreclosure.

Former HOA President
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
I too am against this. Don't you need social security numbers to verify accounts? There is a cost to place these items on CBR's, there is a cost to update the items on CBR's and there is a cost to remove the data off CBR's; then there is the potential for legal litigation for erroneous data placed on CBR's that the members of the association shouldn't
shoulder that burden of cost. Not to mention, if reporting delinquent accounts is not listed in your CC&R's, you are possibly in breach of contract. Stick to your CC&R's and bylaws, and don't go off the reservation.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
It can be done and is done, without social security numbers!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 01/21/2018 3:01 PM
It can be done and is done, without social security numbers!

Our attorney tells us his Collections Dpt. can do such. I say whatever is legal to get late payers to pay is fair game.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
I would send them one last notice, via certified and first class mail (as certified mail is not always claimed), giving them until mm/dd/yyyy to pay up or the Association will turn the issue over to the attorney for collection effort and, if needed foreclosure. Remind them that if this happens, in addition to late fees, they will be responsible for all legal fees and court costs.

Then FOLLOW THROUGH
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I think you have to have a contract with one or all of the big 3 to report delinquencies - it's easier to hire a collection agency to do some of the initial work for you and that would include reporting the delinquency to the credit reporting agencies.

However, if things have escalated, you can also turn the matter over to your association attorney for him or her to take legal action. Lawsuits and liens are public record and sooner or later they land on the person's credit report.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
My Board members and I are meeting with an attorney tomorrow morning about possibly foreclosing on a property for unpaid assessments. I'll post what i learn soon.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
Keep in mind that foreclosure laws vary (a lot) by State.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We did a foreclosure. It's not that expensive ($800) for the paperwork. Which is additional expense added to what is owed the HOA. You can add on a certain amount of interest as well. Which that amount is usually in your CC&R's or Articles. So know what additional costs can add-on.

Will tell you the process does take 3 - 6 months. Ads have to run in a public newspaper (or public resource) for that amount of time. Which is also in addition to the certified letters sent to the home. Make sure you send a notification to the HOA address and one to the owner if they live off-site. These expenses are also part of the foreclosure add-ons.

Remember a foreclosure is ONLY a "Stop bleeding" measure. It's NOT a profit maker. Understand that this home can stay empty for up to a year after the foreclosure. Each state has a "right of redemption" period that can go up to a year. So the new owners can't really touch the property till that process has completed.

Never foreclose on a house that the bank is foreclosing on. (It should be in the newspaper too). Plus if you know the owner is just going to let the house go, find as many possible interested parties to show up on bidding day. The 1st bid goes to the HOA for $1 over what is owed. The HOA does NOT want to own the property. So I highly recommend to make sure it sells.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
The OP lives in Nevada.

Nevada requires

Here is some general info (for NV)

Nevada HOA Foreclosures from Nolo

Nevada HOA Foreclosures August 15, 2016 (note: unknown if the case is still being fought or not)

Note: I think the talk of foreclosure is way beyond what is being asked (how to report to credit bureaus). For that question I offer the following:

Can You, and Should You, Report HOA Delinquencies to Credit Agencies? 2014 article in HOA Leader

Can a Homeowners Association Report Late Payments to a Credit Agency? from San Francisco Gate

Subject: Reporting Past Due Fees to Credit Bureau 2009 thread on this forum

Reporting Owners’ Payments to Credit Bureaus Creates Liability Risks for Condo Associations and Managers 2016 Attorney Website

BoardM2 (Nevada)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank you for the input, yes we have to deal with Nevada laws. We are in a odd situation here, these are owners of vacant lots (not a house to foreclose on) in our association that are seriously past due. These are investment lots that were never developed and the owners do not live here, in fact many are out of state mailing addresses. So, if we foreclose we are not able to sell without quiet title action and pay lawyer fees. There is no motivation from the owners that they are going to lose there "house", so we are hoping that a bad credit rating will effect them and motivate them to pay what they owe.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BoardM2 on 01/25/2018 9:29 PM
Thank you for the input, yes we have to deal with Nevada laws. We are in a odd situation here, these are owners of vacant lots (not a house to foreclose on) in our association that are seriously past due.

So you foreclose on the Lot.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I generally believe a foreclosure is the last step and rarely works out well for an association. That said, if vacant lots I would probably go after them in a New Your minute.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This may sound weird but your basically foreclosing on a "Lot" in a HOA foreclosure not necessarily the "house". In our HOA, you own the home and the lot it sits on. We own everything outside of it. When we foreclosed it was technically the lot and not the home. Since they are so intertwined together (Your not going to move a house), it seems your taking a house.

I would also foreclose on an empty lot faster than one with a house on it. A house will sit there and rot till someone can touch it.

BTW: If you ever needed to bond out of jail, it's based on land and NOT house. A house can burn down or be made worthless. It's the actual lot/land they base your bond. Example: House is valued at $100K. The land it sits on is $20K. The bond allowance is for that $20K.

Just added information in case one goes to jail over their HOA issues...

Former HOA President
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/26/2018 5:12 AM

BTW: If you ever needed to bond out of jail, it's based on land and NOT house. A house can burn down or be made worthless. It's the actual lot/land they base your bond. Example: House is valued at $100K. The land it sits on is $20K. The bond allowance is for that $20K.>

BS!
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
Posted:
Home as Collateral
Any house or apartment you own the title to can be used as collateral for securing your bail bond. Just be certain that said house belongs to you in its entirety and is not under mortgage. In some cases, the bondsman might agree to a ‘premium’, under which he will receive his or her 10% fee at the end of the trial, or if and when the property is auctioned off if the client fails to show. In addition, the ownership deed or pink slip has to be left with the bondsman or the court.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 01/21/2018 8:54 AM
Yes. There is an agency that is set up to do this. Can't tell you who as it would violate the site's posting rules.

Personally, I would be against such a policy. Why?

Correct me if I am wrong, BUT, isn't everything that is reported to a credit bureau, something that the creditor has a signed contract for. Can anyone on this site provide a signed contract by a homeowner to agree to the conditions that the governing documents dictated?
I have done many escrow packages for HOA's and there has been a few that don't have copies of their governing documents and no governing documents were actually sent to homeowners.

Quote:
Posted By RichardP13 on 01/21/2018 8:54 AM
Yet state law, A.R.S. § 33-1806(A)(3)(h), requires that they sign and return to the HOA within 14 days a statement that provides:

I hereby acknowledge that the declaration, bylaws and rules of the association constitute a contract between the association and me (the purchaser). By signing this statement, I acknowledge that I have read and understand the association’s contract with me (the purchaser). I also understand that as a matter of Arizona law, if I fail to pay my association assessments, the association may foreclose on my property.

While a homebuyer’s failure to read or understand the HOA’s governing documents does not always result in problems down the road, when it does, the repercussions can prove challenging and affect their enjoyment of the home they purchased.

I signed the form when I bought the house. I had a good realtor that informed of the HOA and got me a copy of the CC&R's. I'm not going to post the document I signed, but it said that I acknowledged the HOA and had received the documents.

I get a lot of weird requests from realtors. The last one was wanting a "Well Agreement". Yea, since the home is on a well and the well is not owned by the seller, they want a Well Agreement. The Well is owned by a water company!
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
I messed that quote up, Richard. Sorry. The second one is from this site.

https://www.aaronline.com/2017/02/hoas-know-what-you-are-getting-into/
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
The Statute:

https://www.azleg.gov/ars/33/01806.htm

(a) (3) (H)
A statement that provides "I hereby acknowledge that the declaration, bylaws and rules of the association constitute a contract between the association and me (the purchaser). By signing this statement, I acknowledge that I have read and understand the association's contract with me (the purchaser). I also understand that as a matter of Arizona law, if I fail to pay my association assessments, the association may foreclose on my property." The statement shall also include a signature line for the purchaser and shall be returned to the association within fourteen calendar days.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
I agree w/ Tim.

No need to worry w/ credit bureau reporting when your goal is to collect revenue and you have a process for doing so. It's extra work and worry just to prove a point that won't matter anyway.

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