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TimM11
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For those of you with HOAs that use property management companies, how frequent is turnover for the property managers assigned to your association?

We've been with our current PMC for a long time, but we're about to have our fourth PM in two years. Prior to that it seems like we had a new one at least every year, and maybe more often than that. I get the impression it is a high turnover industry, so maybe I should not be too surprised, but I'm not sure what is considered typical for these companies. So, I'm curious to hear about others' experiences.
AllumW (Florida)
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We've been with our PMC for 16 years and i think we've had 2 PMs. We're developer controlled so we don't have control over the choice of PMC.
RogerB (Colorado)
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PM turnover is often for large PMCs as Tim posted and seldom for small PMCs.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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I didn't move into my community until 2001 - at that time, they'd just begun working with our current property management company (after three or four) and the property manager at that time had been with them for a year. Since then, we've had two (including our current property manager), so I don't think we've had a ton of turnover.

That said, I suspect turnover is a problem with some companies. Our property management company was bought out by a nationwide chain (I won't say who, but some of you could probably guess). When I was on the board, our previous property manager (now retired) once said to me she had about 15properties to manage. That's a lot for one person and some communities are more challenging than others (ours certain was!) That could explain the turnover and of course, property management isn't for everyone.

In your case, I think the board should have a sit down with upper management to discuss what's going on. Every time you get a new manager, there's a break in period when he/she gets to know the community and you get to know the manager, and to do that every other year, or twice in a year can cause confusion after a while. That's not good for your community's management.

It might not always be the company - sometimes, a community may have a HOA board that is beyond overbearing and that gets in the way of the manager doing his/her job, and eventually he/she says the hell with this. If your board meets with upper management, you may need to brace yourself for some hard truths about the board, or some of the people in it. How you then fix that problem will be up to you, but you need to do it because you don't want a reputation as being an extremely difficult community to manage.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimM11
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Posted By RogerB on 01/17/2018 7:02 AM
PM turnover is often for large PMCs as Tim posted and seldom for small PMCs.

That's good to know. Our PMC is a small local one, which is part of the reason why I was wondering about it. We have other small companies as vendors, and there is much more consistency with them.
TimM11
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/17/2018 7:03 AM

In your case, I think the board should have a sit down with upper management to discuss what's going on. Every time you get a new manager, there's a break in period when he/she gets to know the community and you get to know the manager, and to do that every other year, or twice in a year can cause confusion after a while. That's not good for your community's management.

It might not always be the company - sometimes, a community may have a HOA board that is beyond overbearing and that gets in the way of the manager doing his/her job, and eventually he/she says the hell with this. If your board meets with upper management, you may need to brace yourself for some hard truths about the board, or some of the people in it. How you then fix that problem will be up to you, but you need to do it because you don't want a reputation as being an extremely difficult community to manage.

We've had some minor disagreements with them, though nothing I'd categorize as major and they were able to be resolved (I have no idea what their other properties are like). But I know that we as a Board can sometimes pull in different directions from one another and we don't always have a unified vision for how things should be. Of course, if they think we're too hard to work with, they have the right to not renew the contract when it's up -- there are other PMCs that want our business too, and perhaps a fresh start with one of them is what we need.
KerryL1 (California)
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We've been with our current MC for 11 years, and our 5th PM. Our first PM was very lousy, but lasted 14 months before the MC transferred him to a different local high rise. He didn't last long there.

Our 2nd PM was excellent, lasted 2-1/2 years before she wanted and got a huge project with our MC in a different city.

#3 was with us for about 2-1/2 years too and moved to another state.

#4 lasted two years, was very knowledgeable about high rises including their mechanical/plumbing systems and was stolen from us by our developer to work on some new high rises under construction.

We've had #5 for about 9 months and she works very hard and our resents like her very much.

It's very true that the change i disruptive even when top brass from the MC one frequently to our premises during the transition.

RogerB (Colorado)
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Posted By RogerB on 01/17/2018 7:02 AM
PM turnover is often for large PMCs as Tim posted and seldom for small PMCs.

The average time for the same manager to provide all serices to an HOA for our management company is 10 years and counting. This can be very important to provide continuity since many Board members only serve a few years.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By TimM11 on 01/17/2018 7:36 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 01/17/2018 7:03 AM

In your case, I think the board should have a sit down with upper management to discuss what's going on. Every time you get a new manager, there's a break in period when he/she gets to know the community and you get to know the manager, and to do that every other year, or twice in a year can cause confusion after a while. That's not good for your community's management.

It might not always be the company - sometimes, a community may have a HOA board that is beyond overbearing and that gets in the way of the manager doing his/her job, and eventually he/she says the hell with this. If your board meets with upper management, you may need to brace yourself for some hard truths about the board, or some of the people in it. How you then fix that problem will be up to you, but you need to do it because you don't want a reputation as being an extremely difficult community to manage.


We've had some minor disagreements with them, though nothing I'd categorize as major and they were able to be resolved (I have no idea what their other properties are like). But I know that we as a Board can sometimes pull in different directions from one another and we don't always have a unified vision for how things should be. Of course, if they think we're too hard to work with, they have the right to not renew the contract when it's up -- there are other PMCs that want our business too, and perhaps a fresh start with one of them is what we need.

Those minor issues may be just that, but then again, you're giving your side and the former property managers may feel differently.

Your second statement about the board not always having a unified vision may be a bit more telling. It's ok to disagree, but might you be having various people calling the property manager with different instructions and causing confusion? If so, all of you (the board, that is) need to sit down and hammer this out. Once a decision has been made by the board, give the appropriate direction to the property manager and then get out of the way and let the man or woman do what you're paying them to do. You do not need various board members calling at the same time with different instructions, nor should you be trying to get the property manager "on your side."

Ultimately, you need to ask is the property manager being responsive to your needs and are things getting done - if that's the case, regardless of the changes, you're probably ok. I do understand the upheaval can be nerve wracking, so if it really bothers you, either meet with upper management (maybe they aren't aware of how nervous this makes you, in which case, speak up) or start looking for another company.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By TimM11 on 01/17/2018 7:36 AM
Of course, if they think we're too hard to work with, they have the right to not renew the contract when it's up

Read the contract closely. Many contracts say either side may cancel the contract with a 60-day notice (could be a different number).

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