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JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
We are back at it with no street parking between 3:00AM and 5AM. We own our streets. There are NO Parking restrictions in the DEED RESTRICTIONS.
Some board members refuse to listen to attorney advice and are insisting they want to enforce a no parking rule between 3:00 and 5 AM., hire a security to patrol tag and then hire tow company to tow. The agruement against is, it serves no purpose, is more restrictive than our CCRS that have zero parking restrictions, and under CA law under Davis Sterling Act , Enforcebility it states ... Because rules are changed from Board to Board, they are not presumed reasonable. If a rule is challenged in court, the board must convince the court the rule is not arbitrary, arbitrarily violate the public policy, or impose a burden that outweighs any benefit.

Does making people park outside our community, when we have ample street parking, constitute a burden? Some say yes, because owners have a right of ingress, egress,and support and nonexclusive rights to the common area.

What does this mean.? Can't find a reason for this parking rule except some board members "going after" 1 owner, with large family that have several drivers and vehicles. Trying to do what is best for community without spending money and having patrols and tow trucks in our community during the night.
Any input is a great help Thanks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Anytime an Association adopts rules and procedures to "go after" a specific member is the point in time that the Directors should seriously consider resigning.

Boards are supposed to look at the big picture. Parking issues are cyclical as children grow, obtain drivers licenses, purchase vehicles and finally (hopefully) move out of the home. Parking issues will also vary based on time of year as children return home from college for holidays and special events (graduations, prom, etc.) bring visitors.

Everyone will think the policies you speak of are fine until it impacts them directly. Then they will consider the policies outrageous.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
It sounds like you have a good argument and are asking the right questions. Based on you statements, I doubt the board would be able to defend this policy in court.

The only thing I would add is that generally a board has more authority over common areas than member owned private property when the CC&Rs are silent. For example, if the CC&Rs are silent on parking on member owned private driveways, then the board would have no authority to create new rules, but if the CC&Rs are silent on common areas like HOA owned streets, they would be able to create rules, as long as they follow state law and governing documents on creating rules.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If your board is determined to go down this road and pass a rule that's not even necessary, and they are apparently too stupid to figure out that the one homeowner could very well sue - and win - I have to wonder why the rest of you still have them as your board of directors. time to vote these guys and gals out at your next annual meeting or perhaps rally together for a recall (be sure you have people willing to step in - and you may need to be one of them).

Having said that, have there been complaints concerning that owner? The family may be large, but if they're parking in other neighbor's driveways, creating blind spots when they do park, park in front of fire hydrants and such, the board may need to have a sit down with these people to fix it.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Does this Rule actually exist now, Jill?

For, CA, if it's new see: "Civil Code ยง4365. Veto of Rule Change by Members.

(a) Members of an association owning 5 percent or more of the separate interests may call a special vote of the members to reverse a rule change.

(b) A special vote of the members may be called by delivering a written request to the association. Not less than 35 days nor more than 90 days after receipt of a proper request, the association shall hold a vote of the members on whether to reverse the rule change, pursuant to Article 4 (commencing with Section 5100) of Chapter 6. The written request may not be delivered more than 30 days after the association gives general notice of the rule change, pursuant to Section 4045."

There is more to this CCC than I copied, so you want to read the entire code on this point, Jill.
JillS8 (California)
Posts: 101
Posted:
Yes this rule has existed for several years and never addressed or violation notices sent except for 1 owner off and on over the years.

The rules says no street parking between 3:::00 and 5:00 AM except for motor homes 48 hours before and after a trip.

Also to add humor, the board member making the most noise has guest parked in front of her home in a motorhome for over a week with a plug going up to her garage. I took pictures just because it was so obnoxious. She is also one that has a motor home and insists on the 48 hour rules. It's quite comical.

I also take pictures of owners parking in front of fire hydrants, another board member. Don't know if the pictures will help but have them just in case.
Also, how can you enforce parking rules if the management company only comes buy 1 time a month? Is that considered selective enforcement? I really don't want to make a problem, but there are large families some with 6 or more drivers living at the house and it's just not right to go after them.
RhodaP (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
We are at a crossroad with enforcing fines on violations. One homeowner disputes that the board doesnt have the right to make rules and regulation. Where can I find in writing that it is the duty of the board to do so? I have searched the Florida 720 statues over and over.
RhodaP (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Our Covenant Enforcement Committee is anonymous due to the fact that people are crazy and violent. How does the attendance at a homeower's hearing take place if the committee is anonymous? Any ways around it?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You need to start a new thread or maybe two, Rhoda. Your two topics are unrelated to the topic embedded in the original post.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
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Posted By RhodaP on 12/18/2017 12:37 PM
We are at a crossroad with enforcing fines on violations. One homeowner disputes that the board doesnt have the right to make rules and regulation. Where can I find in writing that it is the duty of the board to do so? I have searched the Florida 720 statues over and over.

It depends on the type of rules and regulations. If you are talking about rules and regulations relating to owners' private property, the board cannot make such rules. Those rules have to be in the Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions (CC&Rs) and require a majority of the owners to make any changes (usually 66 to 75 percent of the owners). There could be exceptions in your state law or in the CC&Rs.

Normally, the board is only allowed to make rules and regulations pertaining to common areas. That authority might be found in the CC&Rs, Articles of Incorporation, or bylaws. State laws typically do not give HOA boards authority, although they often limit their authority.

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