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KevinT1 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We have a small townhouse HOA. One of our homeowners is delinquent with his assessments. We would like to contact his lender to make them aware of the situation prior to hiring an attorney to place a lien on the property. Does anyone know how to obtain lender (noteholder) or mortgage information for individual homeowners?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Kevin:

Where I live you can obtain lender information by doing a public records search. Ours is available through the Register of Deeds in our county, it lists lienholders on the property of which the lender is one.

I would be careful however, treading down this path. Do you have a plan in place for collection? I would consult legal advice on whether it is appropriate to disclose this to a lender before a lien is filed.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There are 2 things certain in life: Death and Taxes. I suggest you contact the Tax Assessor's office with the lot number of the property. They may be able to tell you who owns the property.

My experience, the HOA is better off placing the lien on the property anyways. They should be sending the letter to the home in the HOA. This is the legal HOA address. If they don't respond, then that is their problem. They will when they notice the lien when they try to sell.

I also hesitate notifying the lender about the money owed. If the owner owes the bank as well, the bank may start their own foreclosure process. That means the HOA could be left out in the cold if they don't have a lien in place prior to that. Plus it can be a problem if considering the HOA doing their own foreclosure. If the owner owes both the HOA and the bank, the bank is going to get paid first no matter what. So the HOA risks paying for a foreclosure on the bank's behalf. Better to keep a lien on the property just in case.

As far as warnings go, the owner's should know they owe assessments. They also should know if they don't pay them, they risk getting liened or foreclosed upon. It's part of the contract of living in a HOA. You don't pay, you don't play. So be careful these owner's aren't playing the HOA and seeing how long they can get away with not paying.

Former HOA President
KevinK1 (< Not Specified >)
Posts: 34
Posted:
Our management company advised us against disseminating information on past due accounts because of the “fair credit reporting act”. You may want to look into this to see if it applies to contacting the loan company. If your actions cause the owner to get a bad credit report, you may be liable.
KarenT (Washington)
Posts: 250
Posted:
Instead of just "notifying" the lender that they are delinquent couldn't you place a lien on the property and send a copy of that Lien (which is recorded and public information) to the lender?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
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Posted By KarenT on 08/08/2007 2:06 PM
Instead of just "notifying" the lender that they are delinquent couldn't you place a lien on the property and send a copy of that Lien (which is recorded and public information) to the lender?

Karen:

I think the notification of a lender would be to try and avoid filing a lien and the hassles and costs associated. However, in your scenario since a lien is public knowledge I see nothing wrong with that.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I seem to recall someone on this website saying this might work because somewhere in the ton of paperwork the homeowner received at closing is language requiring him/her to pay assessments to homeowner associations if required, because not doing so puts the lender's interest at risk and therefore it's considered a violation of the mortgage agreement. You might want to talk to your attorney about that - if it can be done, the letter should come from the attorney.

Even so, I would hesitate because of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (which I've also heard DOES apply to HOAs), so as others have suggested, it may be best to file a lien. Sooner or later the lender will find out about that, especially if you foreclosre, as the lender has to be contacted anyway.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By KevinT1 on 08/01/2007 9:20 AM

We would like to contact his lender to make them aware of the situation prior to hiring an attorney to place a lien on the property.

There is nothing illegal about doing this but why bother? The lender's lien takes priority over yours. As long as he pays his mortgage they are not going to care. If he stops paying his mortgage they are not going to care about your lien, either, because their lien trumps yours.

I am curious about hiring a lawyer to place a lien. Is that a requirement in Illinois? It seems like an unnecessary expense to record a document that alleges someone owes you money. (I assume that "to place a lien" means to record a lien as opposed to filing a lawsuit or taking some other action.)

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Post is from 2007... We have a Troll reopening old posts again...

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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I would hardly call Sheila a troll but I am curious why she resurrected this old post?

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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By GlenL on 03/14/2014 3:20 PM
I would hardly call Sheila a troll but I am curious why she resurrected this old post?

She probably did not. There was a spammer on this site today who resurrected numerous old posts. The administrators pulled the spammer's posts but the old threads now show as being active. We all need to look at the date of the first post before diving into these old threads.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
The spammer's ID is JohnG35.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Yes we have been spammed but this is an interesting subject and worth revisiting.

In one HOA I was a member of, we had a home go up for sale. The Pres. of the BOD called the realtor and informed her that were outstanding fines on the listing and the BOD was preparing to file a lien on the property. He asked the realtor is she wanted to waste her time on this listing as it could get sticky.

She called the owner and told him that the sale could get sticky. Within a very short time the owner contacted the BOD and the fine issue was settled.

Not a tactic that might work in all cases, but a tactic worth consideration such as informing a lender that there could be issues. What harm does it do?

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Which Shelia? Twasn't me!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Good point John ... did not cost anything but the time spent making a telephone call.

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