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JohnS99 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hi there,

I live in a condo complex where we all have 96 gal carts. Occasionally, people in the community complain about their trash cans smelling up their unit. I'm exploring the idea about starting a residential trash can cleaning service and servicing whole condominium association. This business only works if it's servicing the whole community not 1 or 2 here and there.

Cost: $50-$60/year/door

Frequency: Quarterly

What would be your deciding factor(s) to approve or not approve this service for your whole condominium complex? Nuisance abatement, health concerns?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

At that price, you should be providing the water as well.

Insisting on the whole complex at $50 per door is way too expensive.
$50 per cleaning would be expensive to anyone unless they had physical issues preventing them from cleaning the can.

I might be willing to pay $10 to $20 if someone knocked on the door and offered the service with a pressure washer.

Oh, would you be taking any debris with you or simply leave it on the ground to smell?
GaryM15 (North Carolina)
Posts: 63
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/02/2017 8:39 AM
John,

At that price, you should be providing the water as well.

Insisting on the whole complex at $50 per door is way too expensive.
$50 per cleaning would be expensive to anyone unless they had physical issues preventing them from cleaning the can.

I might be willing to pay $10 to $20 if someone knocked on the door and offered the service with a pressure washer.

Oh, would you be taking any debris with you or simply leave it on the ground to smell?

$15/qtr is $60/yr. The cleaning is quarterly.
JohnS99 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your response.

Clarification - the $60 fee is for the whole year ($5/month) and would come clean on a quarterly schedule after the cans have been collected by the trash hauler.

The cleaning service would be mobile. Picture a box truck with its own water tanks, filtration, and garbage truck arms that lifts the can(s) over spray nozzles and cleans each Can. The truck captures all the water and leftover debris after the Can was emptied. After the cleaning process the Can is lowered back down and the truck continues cleaning the complex until finished.

The monthly dues would increase by $5. Is the service valuable enough to raise dues to mitigate nuisances, smells, etc? If no, why?
JohnS99 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I am essentially looking for board member feedback as to why you wouldn’t be able to justify a nominal monthly increase ($5/month) to solve a real problem?
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
You wish everyone to pay for the pigs who do NOT clean their cans?

Assuming a can for each unit.
JohnS99 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Cleaning is one thing, maintenance is another. The use of a Can is pretty gross.

Trash bags rip, food/diapers smell, spiders, flies, bugs breed inside and around cans. Which then becomes a preventative maintenance program for a cleaner living space.

Have you ever had a fly a problem? A smell you can’t stand that comes from your garage where you have to store your bins? If not is it not worth $5/month to have that as a value add to where you live?
JohnS99 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Cleaning is one thing, maintenance is another. The use of a Can is pretty gross.

Trash bags rip, food/diapers smell, spiders, flies, bugs breed inside and around cans. Which then becomes a preventative maintenance program for a cleaner living space.

Have you ever had a fly a problem? A smell you can’t stand that comes from your garage where you have to store your bins? If not is it not worth $5/month to have that as a value add to where you live?
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
.....
Have you ever had a fly a problem? A smell you can’t stand that comes from your garage where you have to store your bins? .....


No and No,

however,

I keep my bins CLEAN.

I never need to clean my bins (indoor under sink and garage) unless I puncture a bag,

THEN

time for the garden hose and SOAP.

D'OH
JohnS99 (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
What's your time worth?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnS99 on 12/02/2017 9:45 AM
I am essentially looking for board member feedback as to why you wouldn’t be able to justify a nominal monthly increase ($5/month) to solve a real problem?

This is because the reality of the problem is subjective.
What may offend some might not offend others.
How many complaints does one actually receive (I'm sure it varies).

Additionally:

Some people take time to be sure their cans are clean.
Some people will attach a deodorizer to the inside lid of the trash can.

$5 per month, for my Association, would equal a 5% increase. Per our governing documents, we can only raise assessments by 5% without membership approval. We are currently having to raise assessments by 4% each year for inflation and increased costs. Therefore, a membership vote would be required. This may be true of other Associations as well.

Depending on an Associations governing documents, to provide this service may require amending governing documents.

In one membership meeting of our new Association (I've purchased a second home), there were complaints about trash cans being left out. The excuse given was that the can smells. The response from everyone at the meeting was to wash the can.

I'm not sure how much of this is an Association issue vs. an individual issue.
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
..... I'm not sure how much of this is an Association issue vs. an individual issue. .....




Sooooo polite.

Much better than calling a swine a pig.

PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
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Posted By JohnS99 on 12/02/2017 11:54 AM
What's your time worth?

The job from which I retired paid $26.50 per hour + UNBELIEVABLE 'fringe'.

What is YOURS worth?

What difference does it make ?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

I'm sure you were aware that the question was regarding how much is your personal time worth.
OR, in other words,
How much are you willing to pay someone to do something so you won't have to and can spend the time doing something else?

In reality, that varies from person to person.

Some real life examples:

I changed a clutch in my vehicle many years ago.
Even though I can do it myself, I am more then willing to pay someone else who has all the proper tools and can do it in half the time.

Even though my commute could be subsidized, taking mass transit vs. driving myself costs me an additional 2 to 2.5 hours (round trip) per day. To me, that time is much to valuable and I forego the subsidy and drive myself.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You're saying, John99, that everyone stores a big trash bin inside their living space? Ewww. And you're saying "occasionally" some residents let theirs get smelly? Is there a practical way they can clean their own? In other words, is there an outside area where they can do this task on their Own? I'm trying to visualize your situation.

I'm in a condo building too, but we have a Refuse Room on each floor (serves 5 units) and our custodial staff empties the trash container & recycle container every night. They also keep the containers clean. So we Owners do pay for this via our assessments. But there's no other way in our high rise to clean a big container.

Without my knowing the above, you might think about polling the owners to get their opinions. Again, without knowing enough, this sounds like an in-unit owner responsibility.

Are you on the Board, John99?
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/02/2017 12:50 PM
John,

I'm sure you were aware that the question was regarding how much is your personal time worth.
OR, in other words,
How much are you willing to pay someone to do something so you won't have to and can spend the time doing something else?

In reality, that varies from person to person.

Some real life examples:

I changed a clutch in my vehicle many years ago.
Even though I can do it myself, I am more then willing to pay someone else who has all the proper tools and can do it in half the time.

Even though my commute could be subsidized, taking mass transit vs. driving myself costs me an additional 2 to 2.5 hours (round trip) per day. To me, that time is much to valuable and I forego the subsidy and drive myself.

The cans need cleaning PROMPTLY when they need cleaning - NOT quarterly, but when they FIRST get dirty.

My time is worth spending on keeping my home clean WHEN IT IS REQUIRED w/o waiting for an arbitrary date.

Soooo, I clean when it is necessary and then PAY for cleaning on a set schedule ?!
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
110%

OUT
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
would I pay someone to wash my trash can out say $10 per quarter. The answer is yes. Am I going to schedule the time and hang around? No. Could you do it on a pickup day? If yes, what about the erratic schedule of the trash pickup for scheduling purposes?

Sounds like a bad plan to me.

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