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AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
There is always one or two trouble makers in EVERY condo. How do we handle those No matter what we say, they continue to make trouble and unnecessary problem's. What have other Associations done to fight back those rude and ignorant individuals. Is thee any tactic that could be used by the Board?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
An example of the type of trouble would be helpful.

Are they simply violating the covenants?

OR

Are they simply making complaints to the Association?
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
One man's troublemaker is another man's speaker-of-truth-to-power.

Listen politely but make sure they don't go over their alotted time to speak at meetings. Insist on civility and if they're really disruptive ask them to leave the meeting. On the other hand, if all they're doing is asking questions that the board finds inconvenient then perhaps invite them to get more involved.

I'd be very wary of labeling anyone a "troublemaker", especially someone who was paying their assessments on time.
GeorgeR8 (Arizona)
Posts: 182
Posted:
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Posted By GenoS on 11/26/2017 7:31 PM
One man's troublemaker is another man's speaker-of-truth-to-power.

Listen politely but make sure they don't go over their alotted time to speak at meetings. Insist on civility and if they're really disruptive ask them to leave the meeting. On the other hand, if all they're doing is asking questions that the board finds inconvenient then perhaps invite them to get more involved.

I'd be very wary of labeling anyone a "troublemaker", especially someone who was paying their assessments on time.

I am never wary about labeling someone a troublemaker.

Troublemakers always pay their assessments and usually don't come to meetings. That way they can't be called out in public on the things they say.

Troublemakers spread wrong information and there is always someone stupid enough to believe them.

Troublemakers visit new owners, give wrong information, and then I get calls and have to straighten it out.

Troublemakers never read their documents even though they signed a paper at closing that they received, read, understand, and agree they are entering into a contract with the association.

Troublemakers can always do better yet refuse to run for the board.

Troublemakers are almost always first time condo owners and can't seem get it through their head that they only own from the interior walls in.

Troublemakers have the attitude that they don't have to ask permission and no one is going to tell them what to do.

Troublemakers like to argue to make a point, always wrong and usually easily proven so by the documents.

Troublemakers hire unlicensed contractors, let a handyman wire or plumb, and think an architectural change request form is something I made up.

I could go on and on. Fortunately there are only a couple of these types at a time.

What to do?

Use your attorney! Use your county compliance department! Ignore them socially especially if they are married. That may get one half of the couple to start working for you without realizing it.

TimM11
Posts: 354
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeR8 on 11/27/2017 5:50 AM
Ignore them socially especially if they are married. That may get one half of the couple to start working for you without realizing it.

With a few exceptions, we all pretty much ignore each other socially in my HOA to begin with. Which is fine by me, honestly.
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
..... What to do? .....


Relocate thyself to somewhere pleasant.

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeR8 on 11/27/2017 5:50 AM
I am never wary about labeling someone a troublemaker.

Troublemakers always pay their assessments and usually don't come to meetings. That way they can't be called out in public on the things they say.

Troublemakers spread wrong information and there is always someone stupid enough to believe them.

Troublemakers visit new owners, give wrong information, and then I get calls and have to straighten it out.

Troublemakers never read their documents even though they signed a paper at closing that they received, read, understand, and agree they are entering into a contract with the association.

Troublemakers can always do better yet refuse to run for the board.

Troublemakers are almost always first time condo owners and can't seem get it through their head that they only own from the interior walls in.

Troublemakers have the attitude that they don't have to ask permission and no one is going to tell them what to do.

Troublemakers like to argue to make a point, always wrong and usually easily proven so by the documents.

Troublemakers hire unlicensed contractors, let a handyman wire or plumb, and think an architectural change request form is something I made up.

I could go on and on. Fortunately there are only a couple of these types at a time.

What to do?

Use your attorney! Use your county compliance department! Ignore them socially especially if they are married. That may get one half of the couple to start working for you without realizing it.

I suggest that with better communication from the association to the owners your troublemakers wouldn't have the opportunity to do 90% of what you accuse them of, especially with regard to passing off incorrect info to new owners. That these troublemakers even have an opening to spread disinformation speaks to a problem on the part of the association.

Sorry, I don't mean to blame the victim here. I wouldn't want to deal with those things either.
AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
It is very obvious that YOU KNOW exactly what I am talking about... very few people understand what a trouble maker is... but you certainly do
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
Posted:
yep .... sho' 'nuf do

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
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Posted By AlexM1 on 11/27/2017 1:54 PM
It is very obvious that YOU KNOW exactly what I am talking about... very few people understand what a trouble maker is... but you certainly do

Alex,

I don't know to which you are referring.

Is it a Board member not following procedures?
Is it a member who continually fails to comply with the covenants?
Is it a member who continually questions the board?

Every one of those could be seen as a trouble maker.
How the situation is resolved will depend on which type of trouble maker it is.

Although others assumed one of the above and responded, I simply asked the question so I could provide a better opinion to the situation at hand.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In the past, Alex has complained about those who don't follow their HOA's rules. But it also seems to be true that they have no way to enforce the rules, so.....? Many have advise him to encourage his board to craft a Fine Schedule if permitted by OK & their docs, and the post goes no further than that......
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In the past, Alex has complained about those who don't follow their HOA's rules. But it also seems to be true that they have no way to enforce the rules, so.....? Many have advise him to encourage his board to craft a Fine Schedule if permitted by OK & their docs, and the post goes no further than that......
AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
Supposedly at the next Board meeting, it will happen that fines will be established for both glass in the pool and owners who do not leash their dogs and owners who do not pick up after their dog.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
I'm going to be honest and realistic.
We have monetary penalties for not picking up after your pet.
The County has monetary penalties for not picking up after your pet.

The problem is lack of proof.

Nobody sees this happening (they only see the end result).
There are no photos or video.
Hence, at best, it's your word against theirs.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Others have asked and I will to, Alex. Is it the rule breakers who you're defining as "troublemakers?" Please clarify, Alex.

Also, as others have suggested in your past posts, nowadays, it's pretty easy to take pics of owners who don't clean up after their dogs. It's not impossible to enforce such a rule. You may have to encourage your community to help.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Others have asked and I will too, Alex. Is it the rule breakers who you're defining as "troublemakers?" Please clarify.

Also, as others have suggested re: your past posts; nowadays, it's pretty easy to take pics of owners who don't clean up after their dogs. It's not impossible to enforce such a rule. You may have to encourage your community to help.

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