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JenniferB14 (Colorado)
Posts: 148
Posted:
We are in the process of voting on an amendment to remove the right for us on rural land (5-35 acres)to have any animal other than horses. The board has not been easy to work with and has moved forward with the amendment which is currently up for vote. We have a use restriction section of our CC&Rs which is clearly delineated as Use Restrictions as opposed to the other listed covenants in the Declaration. We have a clause in our Declaration which states that Use restrictions require unanimous consent to amend, and this is consistent with Colorado State law stating specifically that changing the uses to which a unit is restricted can require at least 67% but any higher percentage the declaration specifies. Otherwise, any other amendment to the Declaration requires a MAX of 67% by law. Have any other HOAs had any experience with this? I know WA state had a hallmark case addressing this issue that changed the law in regards to Leasing Restrictions as a Use Restriction which now by law requires 90% approval for an amendment related to changes in leasing restrictions. Any information would be great. Our issue is related to animals specifically as we are zoned by the county for all animals/livestock, and our planned development, and our Declaration allows for all animals without exception. The county actually specifies Animals as a land use for our community per our documents filed in 1992 and 1995. Thanks for your help!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Typically CC&R's changes take 90 to 100 % of the owners to change/modify. By-laws or Articles of Incorporation usually take less percentage of votes to change. Ours it was 75% but seen others as low as 51%. Once voted then it is filed with the county or the state. County it's the CC&R's and State for Articles of Incorporation. It does cost money to file. We spent $750 in filing fees on top of lawyer fees.

Little confused on what your HOA is trying to change. Your saying your documents say you can ONLY own horses? Your county allows for other forms of livestock? A HOA can be a bit more restrictive than county/city laws but still need to comply. It's a good idea your HOA is taking this route in changing their documentation to reflect these changes.

So what is your problem? That rule changes will effect you personally?

Former HOA President
JenniferB14 (Colorado)
Posts: 148
Posted:
Yes, and it will affect around 30%+ of the other owners as well... the process has been dramatically antagonized and the aggressiveness of the board and a subset of the homeowners who demanded this change have split the community. It is super ugly, and adjacent cities have heard of the drama... for instance our neighbor painting 10 foot letters in bright red paint on his property saying PIGS... and he is pro equine only. The antagonism is horrible. But our document clearly mandates 100% to amend the use restrictions but our attorney and the board is saying its only 67% to pass... never mind the previous attorney we had just 3 months prior had upheld the 100% for a change. Thus the board went attorney shopping. It is a total mess. So I just want to know if anyone else has encountered and upheld a super majority for use restriction changes.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The answer is in whatever documents are on file at the courthouse. 67% of the vote may be for the by-laws changes not CC&R's. The thing they are trying to change may not be in the CC&R's as that is a general outline type document. The By-laws are internal HOA document and fills in the gaps with more details than the CC&R's.

We made changes to our CC&R's, by-laws, and Articles of Incorporation. It took about 3 years and about $3K. Ours was changing the reference to our water meter and address of the developer change. 5 changes altogether. These were minor changes and it was a struggle.

Atleast your HOA doesn't have apathy on the issue. That can really be much worse.

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DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
our's is 90% to abolish the Association and 67% to change any covenant/restriction. our bylaws can be ammended by a majority vote of the BOD.

If I were you, I would pool some funds from like minded people and go talk to an HOA attorney about this. If you are right, the attorney can write a letter to your association attorney stating that.

Is it pigs that the neighbors are against? If so, ask that they be very specific and just name the animals they want banned instead of naming horses as the only one permitted. Because, what about a mule? A donkey? Shetland pony? They are being way to restrictive and really need more definition.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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IF this is about allowing pigs or other livestock besides horses, there are serious bona fide reasons why to NOT allow this. It may put the horses in danger of getting diseases not to mention humans. I lived up the road from a pig farm. The wind would hit it sometimes and whew the smell!

Pigs/cows (Other livestock) can really have an effect on the environment. They can easily pollute the water supply. Not to mention if the horse walks across that land, it will spread any potential contamination. Owning such livestock also invites their use to business purposes. Something typically banned in HOA's.

I have always felt there is something special about people who love and own horses. They usually put the horse above anything else. It sounds like the intent of your original HOA was laying this groundwork for the future to keep the land for use of horses for the horse/horse owners best benefit. Hence why your HOA's documents are written as such.

When I lived out in the county we had a natural spring that came out of a hill. It was common for everyone in the community to stop and fill up a jug. Especially whenever there were water issues. (Our pipes broke and had no water for a week except for this spring). Unfortunately, the county discovered there was a farm nearby with cows. They had to close off the spring because the farm run-off polluted that water. It also made much of that land unable to be used for planting.

So your HOA needs to look the original intent of the HOA. Plus the change of conditions introducing livestock will have on it's long term use. The HOA works by majority vote and the minority opinion will always be effected the most a majority of the time. It's just the way the cookie crumbles.

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JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By JenniferB14 on 11/21/2017 5:51 PM
We are in the process of voting on an amendment to remove the right for us on rural land (5-35 acres)to have any animal other than horses. The board has not been easy to work with and has moved forward with the amendment which is currently up for vote. We have a use restriction section of our CC&Rs which is clearly delineated as Use Restrictions as opposed to the other listed covenants in the Declaration. We have a clause in our Declaration which states that Use restrictions require unanimous consent to amend, and this is consistent with Colorado State law stating specifically that changing the uses to which a unit is restricted can require at least 67% but any higher percentage the declaration specifies. Otherwise, any other amendment to the Declaration requires a MAX of 67% by law. Have any other HOAs had any experience with this? I know WA state had a hallmark case addressing this issue that changed the law in regards to Leasing Restrictions as a Use Restriction which now by law requires 90% approval for an amendment related to changes in leasing restrictions. Any information would be great. Our issue is related to animals specifically as we are zoned by the county for all animals/livestock, and our planned development, and our Declaration allows for all animals without exception. The county actually specifies Animals as a land use for our community per our documents filed in 1992 and 1995. Thanks for your help!


Please provide me with the section of the CO State Law you are discussing and as I have noted in BOLD above. CO does note that Amendments require 67% of owners (with Developer Control exceptions) via 38-33.3-217 Amendment of Declaration. Seems in past I remember that section ...

Also ... Double check your CCR's and if they reference your County. I also live in a subdivision which is 2 - 15+ Acre lots. In my area the County usually tries to make sure any large lot HOA's have included in the CCR's that the land is to be considered "agricultural" with the rights and limits as noted by the County or some other similar text. If not noted in your CCR's I would make a trip to my County to see what they state regarding this issue.

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