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LoriF3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 240
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The letter came from the PMC today .It was filled with a lot of papers ,for various things .One of the things I noticed was on the proxy form which listed several typed in names listed .Is this normal ? I was wondering because the last time they sent us proxy forms they were no pre made list of names .

Also noticed that there is one form which is some sort of new decleration and they want us to get that form filled out and who ever gets the most gets a gift card ,I wonder if this is legal?

Also was wondering if positions which are interm just go to permant with no notice ? Curious because the current president was placed by the pmc and not voted on ,also found it interesting that they are search for 2 more members but do not know what positions these would be for and how it would be determined .

Currently the current interm president and v p do not make contact with people .When confronted the one does not reply and the other blows up over the simple question of how to contact them if you have a concern .
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Lori,

As others have said, you are likely seen as a pain in the behind to the Board.

Is there a blank space for the member to designate someone other then the typed name?

This is simply a tactic used to confuse those who don't know and have them assign their proxy to someone who supports the current handling of the issues at hand. Translation - this is politics.
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
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Posted By TimB4 on 11/18/2017 3:43 AM
Lori,

As others have said, you are likely seen as a pain in the behind to the Board.

Is there a blank space for the member to designate someone other then the typed name?

This is simply a tactic used to confuse those who don't know and have them assign their proxy to someone who supports the current handling of the issues at hand. Translation - this is politics.

There is a space after the pre written names its confusing .Next the line it say (in lieu of ,if filled in ) to vote or otherwise act for the undersigned owner(s) at any meeting of the membership of the association and any postponements or adjournments thereof .In the event a name is not inserted on the line provided it is understood that he/she will act in my/our stead .

At the bottom it says if unable to attend please complete and hand deliver or fax or mail or email to (insert pmc name) no later than Nov .29

I had hopes of getting my own proxies but the meeting is not till the 30th so I guess they sure did not want that to happen .
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Lori

As Tim said, welcome to politics. It is common for a BOD to send out Proxies naming a person on the BOD as the designated Proxy holder meaning they will be the one voting the Proxies. They are hoping most people will just sign and return the Proxy thus the BOD can vote them as they wish. This is a very common tactic to keep the existing BOD in place and/or control who gets elected.

The fact that yours has named candidates is common. As you describe it, there is a space for the name of a write in candidate. Typically candidates can also be nominated at the meeting, prior to the election.

For the umpteenth time, typically:

Owners elect BOD Members.
A BOD can appoint someone to fill a vacancy(s) that exists.
Officers are elected by BOD Members from among their members. Thus all Officers are BOD Members but not all BOD Members are Officers.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LoriF3 on 11/18/2017 4:55 AM

I had hopes of getting my own proxies but the meeting is not till the 30th so I guess they sure did not want that to happen .

So why is that an issue.
This gives you over a week to go knock on doors.
Have copies of the proxy form with you.
Explain your issues and ask if they are planning on attending. If not, then would they consider assigning you as their proxy representative.
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
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Posted By TimB4 on 11/18/2017 11:21 AM
Posted By LoriF3 on 11/18/2017 4:55 AM

I had hopes of getting my own proxies but the meeting is not till the 30th so I guess they sure did not want that to happen .


So why is that an issue.
This gives you over a week to go knock on doors.
Have copies of the proxy form with you.
Explain your issues and ask if they are planning on attending. If not, then would they consider assigning you as their proxy representative.

I guess I was worried because the one date says on it 11/29 and the meeting is on 11/30 which I guess confused me .

I also cannot for the life of me why some of those on the association are desperate to stand up for them when they do not do anything .( cause if they did why aren't things changing ?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LoriF3 on 11/18/2017 12:01 PM

I guess I was worried because the one date says on it 11/29 and the meeting is on 11/30 which I guess confused me .

This gives the MC/Board time to verify the proxies.

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Posted By LoriF3 on 11/18/2017 12:01 PM

I also cannot for the life of me why some of those on the association are desperate to stand up for them when they do not do anything .( cause if they did why aren't things changing ?

We call this membership apathy.
Every Association has it.

Apathy can occur because things that were done didn't affect the member - hence they don't care.

Apathy can occur because the member is invested (time/energy) elsewhere (family, work, health, etc.).

Apathy can occur because the member likes how things are being done.

Apathy can occur because the member sees an Association like a landlord/tenant relationship.

Apathy can occur because the member is going to move in a few years.

Apathy can occur for reasons unknown to the anyone but those with the apathetic outlook.
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
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I was still wondering if I go knock doors this coming week ,and bring them to the meeting and not mail ,they will still count ? I am thinking of doing it at least on my block

I still don't know how an intern president goes to auto filling the position ? Like a head coach gets fired they bring in a intern coach but that person may or may not become the permanent coach .
I guess that is how I kind of though this would be .

Also in BOLD letters says it does NOT need a quorum to approve a raise in what we pay the pmc .All letters before never mentioned this ,just wondering why he is mentioning it now .

The secretary keeps saying any more questions ask the pmc ,I have tried before he ignores me and acts like he does not hear me ,and goes over to someone else .

I do wish to know as to these prices he has listed how do we know its truthful ( considering all I know about the owner of the company ) ? The secretary has asked for things like contracts and owners list and did not get them .

As to the deceleration amendment on a rental cap I am not sure it is good thing ,currently the most of the problems we have had are from the owners who live here .

Also thinking the only reason 2 of the people wanted to be on the hoa was so they could get their pet projects okay-ed

like boats in driveways for so many months and above ground pools for so many months .

Oh yeah the intern president finally wrote me back saying how great a job both her and the pmc were doing .

They have this thing called "lawn of the month" . I have asked people if they know about it and if they know who wins no one knew anything and no one knew anyone that won .

I keep asking where is the list of who won but have gotten no reply .

She just kept going on how she has to go to meetings every month ( I looked in the by laws and cc&r they are not required to hold a meeting every month only required on occasion or for an emergency )
How she had to call around to find a meeting place ( hmmm I did this also as did the secretary ) She did not have to do that .I am guessing she only wanted to do it because she wanted the meeting when she wanted it and not when the majority did .

She wrote and said oh the pmc does this and this and on and on and they only want a little raise .
I told her that he has not done a good enough job to even be rehired for the job .

I told her that the company is not good with answering messages or returning messages and ( they were the ones who I mailed a certified letter to and they did not respond )

I want to try and make my voice heard but I am not sure what else to do
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LoriF3 on 11/19/2017 4:45 AM

I was still wondering if I go knock doors this coming week ,and bring them to the meeting and not mail ,they will still count ? I am thinking of doing it at least on my block

Technically they should.

However, I'd play by the rules and turn them in (after making copies) to the MC by the 29th.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LoriF3 on 11/19/2017 4:45 AM

She just kept going on how she has to go to meetings every month ( I looked in the by laws and cc&r they are not required to hold a meeting every month only required on occasion or for an emergency )

The number of meetings required vs. the number of meetings a Board holds because they believe the meetings are needed are two different things.

One is a requirement.
The other is reality.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By LoriF3 on 11/19/2017 4:45 AM

I want to try and make my voice heard but I am not sure what else to do

as everyone has been telling you since your first posting.

You gather enough support and get yourself elected to the Board.
This will make you part of the decision process.

Once on the Board, the presentation of issues and ideas does a lot in making things happen.

For example: Saying I don't think the MC deserves a raise . . . may be very factual. However, it can cause individuals to immediately take sides and divide the board.

vs.

Saying I think it would be a good idea to solicit bids for the MC contract. This way, the Board will know if the Association is receiving a market rate or not. This likely won't divide the Board. Better yet, if you had already drafted a request for proposal when you make such a motion (as individuals are more likely to approve something they don't have to expend time or energy on vs. being concerned that they will have more work to do if they approve a motion).
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
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Posted By TimB4 on 11/19/2017 5:58 AM
Posted By LoriF3 on 11/19/2017 4:45 AM

I was still wondering if I go knock doors this coming week ,and bring them to the meeting and not mail ,they will still count ? I am thinking of doing it at least on my block


Technically they should.

However, I'd play by the rules and turn them in (after making copies) to the MC by the 29th.

Well I know mail would not work as I would have to give it like 3 business days and , even then I am not sure it would get there in time .Don't have access to a fax machine ,which leaves me with scanning the documents and sending to the email .Which I could try and do .I noticed they conveniently used the week after Thanksgiving to hold it .

Personally how do you feel about rental caps ? I am on the fence I can see how they "might " help but I also think it might be hard to hold up in the long run .Like say a owner gets a job offer or something else major comes up where they have to leave the area on short notice ,and they try to sell but nothing happens and they have to move then I see where them renting it out till they get settled is an option .
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By LoriF3 on 11/19/2017 6:22 AM
Personally how do you feel about rental caps ?

You are putting the cart way, way, way before the horse here.

I think you need to understand the ins and outs of your association's factual, procedural and structural issues a whole lot better before addressing substantial issues such as rental caps. It's like you just bought your first car and want to enter the Daytona 500 with it. Despite everything you've said, your association most certainly has a board of directors and a slate of executive officers, and you don't even know who they are because you've asked the wrong questions of the wrong people. And you want to establish a rental cap? You can't be serious.

On the other hand, if a lot of your neighbors are telling you they want a cap on rentals then you could use that as a sales pitch when you go around asking people to give you their proxies. As Tim suggests, MAKE COPIES OF THOSE PROXIES before turning them in.
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GenoS on 11/19/2017 1:20 PM
Posted By LoriF3 on 11/19/2017 6:22 AM
Personally how do you feel about rental caps ?


You are putting the cart way, way, way before the horse here.

I think you need to understand the ins and outs of your association's factual, procedural and structural issues a whole lot better before addressing substantial issues such as rental caps. It's like you just bought your first car and want to enter the Daytona 500 with it. Despite everything you've said, your association most certainly has a board of directors and a slate of executive officers, and you don't even know who they are because you've asked the wrong questions of the wrong people. And you want to establish a rental cap? You can't be serious.

On the other hand, if a lot of your neighbors are telling you they want a cap on rentals then you could use that as a sales pitch when you go around asking people to give you their proxies. As Tim suggests, MAKE COPIES OF THOSE PROXIES before turning them in.

Hmm no I did not they mailed out the papers from a law firm and are wanting us to sign a paper that included says yes or no to it .( this is on the rental cap law paperwork )

LoriF3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 240
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Okay I have looked over all the papers .Seems the only thing this paper which states proxy is for the rental cap and not for the elections they mentioned .

I do not know what I can do now ?

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Write your own proxy that ALSO provides for the election of directors if allowed by your governing documents and state laws. If you lived in Florida I could provide you with a lot more information but I know nothing about North Carolina statutes.

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