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AllumW (Florida)
Posts: 68
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Does any other HOA pay a courtesy police officer for periodic patrols thru the neighborhood? We have this item in our budget/expenses and I'm wondering if it's common.
PaininyourA
Posts: 215
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nope
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
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Posted By AllumW on 10/29/2017 10:09 AM
Does any other HOA pay a courtesy police officer for periodic patrols thru the neighborhood? We have this item in our budget/expenses and I'm wondering if it's common.

No but I am interested in this ,how does yours work .
AllumW (Florida)
Posts: 68
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We're still developer controlled but our dues are used for the budget and expenses. We have $30K budgeted for the expense. 2016 we paid $24K for this. From my understanding from the MC, they do periodic patrols (3 days a week I think) for approximately 4 hours each time.
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
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Oh okay I see thank you
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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I wouldn't pay for it but hey if that's what people want... Police should be going through anyways. We do have churches here that hire police for traffic control during their service times. Otherwise, a neighborhood watch should do.

Former HOA President
LoriF3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 240
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You would think the police would rive through but they don't
SheliaH (Indiana)
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We have two. Don't know if it's common, but they were hired just before I moved to my community. The original intent was to help address all the inoperable, expired plate cars littering the neighborhood, but over time, it's evolved to address other parking issues (our CCRs adopt city/county rules on traffic and parking as our own). They also help address certain disputes between neighbors if there could be a criminal issue.

Our officers will even swing by one's townhouse if you're out of town just to make sure there's no monkey business going on (to date, I think I'm the only one who calls with that request).

Since it's a courtesy thing, we don't necessarily have them come through every day and our officers also split up their time, so I think it's a great investment and our community really likes the service.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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It's possible in Florida to make arrangements with local law enforcement agencies to do this. Some HOAs do it. We do not. $24,000 sounds like a lot. How big is the HOA and how many miles of streets and roads do you have, and are they private?
AllumW (Florida)
Posts: 68
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I'm not sure how many miles of streets we have. We had about 700 homes in 2016. I assume we're paying some sort of off duty rate for service.
AllumW (Florida)
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Thanks Sheila. We have a contact with the detective that in charge of this zone. However, I don't think we've really been utilizing the service...i.e. calling upon the detective directly when we have issues.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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You can fix that by reminding homeowners of what the detective will and won't do (double-check the contract). For example, if it's not a 24-7 service, homeowners should be told that from the start and to always call 911 in case of emergency.

As long as you're reviewing the contract, you may want to tweak it depending on your community's needs - after a year, take another look and tweak it again, as needed.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AllumW (Florida)
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We're still developer controlled so we have no idea whats in the contract. Our MC is vague when asked a direct question on this and we have no contact with the board except annual meetings. I plan on asking the detective to attend a Neighborhood watch meeting and give us some information.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Allum

Many on here would advise against an HOA sponsored Neighborhood Watch. Now if some folks want to get together and do such, fine. Just do not have the HOA associated in any way with them even to the point of not allowing them to meet in a clubhouse.
AllumW (Florida)
Posts: 68
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What do you mean by HOA associated neighborhood watch?
AllumW (Florida)
Posts: 68
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I did a search and found a few snippets

"So make it understood that there is NO funding between the neighborhood watch and the HOA. The funding and operation of the neighborhood watch is on it's own, has it's own volunteers, and does NOT enforce any of the HOA's rules. It's purpose is to solely report/prevent crime and call the police."

Our neighborhood watch isn't funded. It's volunteers. We're not doing security and have instructed all volunteers on who to contact if they see something. In essence, we just want neighbors to watch out for crime. See something Say something type situation. We're registered with the city as {Neighborhood} Neighborhood Watch.

Maybe this is why we have the courtesy officer expense.
CjC
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We do hire police to patrol our neighbohood. It's only periodically and not on any schedule. We notice an uptick in crime in May when school is winding down and will hire police for a 4 hour shift Friday or Saturday nights. They also do a speed trap and will report back numbers of cars stopped and anything they feel they need to tell us.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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We had a sheriff deputy move in and rent a home. It was right near the entrance. So the car was pretty much in plain site entering the neighborhood. (Only 1 way in/out). People ASSUMED the police car there would prevent crime and felt like someone was there with law enforcement abilities.

This turns out NOT to be the case. She was a County officer and NOT our city. Plus we had a huge rash of mailbox break ins. Of which the car was parked about 100 yards away. That officer? She got her mail stolen. (Child support checks). I was the one who ended up handling the situation. Had to get the Postal Inspectors involved.

So don't assume having a police car makes that much of an effect. She turned out not to be what was advertised on the car. Some police positions aren't for response to crime. A detective doing drive through? Seems a bit suspect considering the hierarchy of the police.

Former HOA President
LetA (Nevada)
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Posted By AllumW on 10/29/2017 10:09 AM
Does any other HOA pay a courtesy police officer for periodic patrols thru the neighborhood? We have this item in our budget/expenses and I'm wondering if it's common.

My HOA does, they pay a patrol company X amount of dollars to randomly patrol the community X times per day. They also have a standing order
for non 911 situation for patrol response. The cost is about $45K per year.
LetA (Nevada)
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Posted By CjC on 10/30/2017 10:20 AM
We do hire police to patrol our neighbohood. It's only periodically and not on any schedule. We notice an uptick in crime in May when school is winding down and will hire police for a 4 hour shift Friday or Saturday nights. They also do a speed trap and will report back numbers of cars stopped and anything they feel they need to tell us.

Are you a private gated community?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By AllumW on 10/30/2017 9:20 AM
What do you mean by HOA associated neighborhood watch?


What John means is DO NOT have the HOA involved in any way shape or form with regards to a neighborhood watch. WHY ... because if anything happens such as the Trevon Martin case ... the HOA can be SUED BIG TIME!!! It is fine for owners to get together outside the HOA if the desire. However, if they try to bring anything up at an HOA meeting ... the board needs to shut it down and state that the HOA Does Not Authorize any Neighborhood Watch. It is an HOA ... CYA!
AllumW (Florida)
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Posted By JanetB2 on 10/30/2017 11:27 PM
Posted By AllumW on 10/30/2017 9:20 AM
What do you mean by HOA associated neighborhood watch?


What John means is DO NOT have the HOA involved in any way shape or form with regards to a neighborhood watch. WHY ... because if anything happens such as the Trevon Martin case ... the HOA can be SUED BIG TIME!!! It is fine for owners to get together outside the HOA if the desire. However, if they try to bring anything up at an HOA meeting ... the board needs to shut it down and state that the HOA Does Not Authorize any Neighborhood Watch. It is an HOA ... CYA!

Our association is still developer controlled. The neighborhood watch was previously established and information was shared at meetings in the past. We have had police reps come to our annual meetings to share information. I know meetings have happened in the neighborhood. It's not association sponsored however. Owners set it up outside of the association directly with the police.
CjC
Posts: 210
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No, we are not gated. We have mostly public roads and a few private. We are out of the way and this just isn't typically on the patrol route. But the police say if we see anything suspicious at all to call and the more we call, the more chance of getting an a patrol route.
MarkD10 (Nebraska)
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No real need because we are gated, but shouldn't the lower end non gated community HOA's already be patrolled like any other neighborhood? Just like the cops would patrol certain areas I would figure all area's are covered at some point... maybe I'm wrong?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
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Posted By AllumW on 10/31/2017 5:00 AM
Posted By JanetB2 on 10/30/2017 11:27 PM
Posted By AllumW on 10/30/2017 9:20 AM
What do you mean by HOA associated neighborhood watch?


What John means is DO NOT have the HOA involved in any way shape or form with regards to a neighborhood watch. WHY ... because if anything happens such as the Trevon Martin case ... the HOA can be SUED BIG TIME!!! It is fine for owners to get together outside the HOA if the desire. However, if they try to bring anything up at an HOA meeting ... the board needs to shut it down and state that the HOA Does Not Authorize any Neighborhood Watch. It is an HOA ... CYA!


Our association is still developer controlled. The neighborhood watch was previously established and information was shared at meetings in the past. We have had police reps come to our annual meetings to share information. I know meetings have happened in the neighborhood. It's not association sponsored however. Owners set it up outside of the association directly with the police.


I potentially would not have anything done at "annual meetings" or any other HOA meetings. All needs to be done outside the HOA. If anyone ever brings up at an HOA sanctioned meeting remind them of the Treyvon Martin case where the HOA ended up paying through the nose because was sanctioned and utilized via the HOA. Again, I personally have no issue with individuals getting together OUTSIDE the HOA regarding such issues ... but the HOA can have a target on their back if anything happens. WHY ... because anyone suing an HOA knows that all owners are on the hook to pay and if not pay can have their properties assessed. Therefore, I recommend avoiding those situations.
AllumW (Florida)
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I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Thanks

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