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JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

Given the following restriction contained in the Covenants as a 'finding of fact':

No trucks of any kind shall be parked upon the premises hereby conveyed.

?? Is a 'Pick-Up' truck permitted ??

This is designed as 'food for thought', I will NOT rejoin this particular topic thread.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550

Posted:

I'll bite. "Truck," with no qualifiers of any kind, is a clear and unambiguous word. All English speakers know what it means. In this phrase, they are prohibited. Period. Any buyers should feel assured that they won't see their new neighborhood sprouting trucks of any kind.

I noted elsewhere that my sis/husb. wanted NO part of an HOA that permitted parking of any trucks + any rec. vehicles in the driveways or on the streets. Not easy to find in Bend, OR, but they bought happily in just such an HOA. Their neighbors are happy too. And they all are VERY protective of this covenant.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

Posted:

John,

Why do you need so many threads on the same topic?

DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724

Posted:

Because John is a PitA....LOL

GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276

Posted:

Aren't there enough ongoing threads about trucks? Jeez.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

Then you better talk to your states BMV!

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

How can Pickup Trucks drive down a road that has a sign that says NO TRUCKS?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836

Posted:

Those signs usually come with weight or height restrictions with "No trucks"...

Former HOA President

DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724

Posted:

Thank you for this Melissa.

To everyone involved in this ridiculous conversation about "what a truck is", open google, type in "highway road signs no trucks", and then select images. Look at the image used on these signs. Nuff said.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

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GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

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GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

https://www.safetysupplywarehouse.com/v/vspfiles/photos/TC14555-2.jpg

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

https://dallasnews.imgix.net/SEMITRUCKS1.jpg

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927

Posted:

I thought OP completely settled this for all time in his previous thread.

CarlJ2 (Texas)
Posts: 194

Posted:

He is trolling the board.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

Guy, That was a problem in Ohio until the mid to late 90's when the legislature did away with special NON COMM plates specifically for pick-up trucks.
Yes it was conceivable that pick-up trucks were ticketed in a no truck zone, those tickets were always tossed out by a judge for lack of merit.

HOA's cannot ban passenger class pick-up trucks from HOA's for the same reason they cannot ban people with Econolline Ford Vans, and they can't ban
Motorcycles from HOA's either.

As long as it fits in the garage, it's none of nobody's business.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

Wish I knew that I receive a ticket in Cleveland for parking in a truck zone in the 2000's. And I paid it and had Passenger plates.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

I worked as a courier in Cleveland, I purposely got "truck" plates so I could park in "truck" zones. I drove a mini van at the time.
under the NON COMM plates in Ohio, technically one could get a ticket if you was hauling a piano in the bed. You still would have gotten a ticket
fro parking a F-150 in a truck zone by not having commercial "truck" plates.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679

Posted:

Guy, I want to clarify the difference between parking in a truck zone and driving in a truck zone. BIG difference. I was ticketed several times driving my minivan with
commercial "truck" plates in a no truck zone.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

No I received a ticket for parking in a truck zone because I had Passenger plates.

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

Quote:

Posted By GuyM1 on 10/19/2017 9:36 AM
No I received a ticket for parking in a truck zone because I had Passenger plates.

Soooooo, you received a violation for parking your truck even though it had 'passenger plates'.

I imagine the registration did NOT change the fact that it was, in fact, a truck.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

Sorry I looked it up and it was for parking in a loading zone and I didn't have truck plates...so it's opposite of what you think...I GOT A TICKET FOR NOT BEING A TRUCK!!!!!!!

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

aaaaaah

The importance of language and grammar !

I stand corrected in this particular communication snafu.

This shows why many CCRs are in dispute because of [poor] wording issues.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796

Posted:

Quote:

Posted By TimB4 on 10/18/2017 3:26 PM
John,

Why do you need so many threads on the same topic?

Maybe one of these:
a) he's totally dense and doesn't understand that words and phrases are subject to varying interpretation
b) he's on the opposing side in the other truck thread
c) beats me

Of the 3, I'm guessing #1

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

Dave,

Please state YOUR interpretation of the following phrase:

No trucks of any kind ...

I do admit when I misinterpret something.

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

Quote:

Posted By DaveD3 on 10/19/2017 6:56 PM

Posted By TimB4 on 10/18/2017 3:26 PM
John,

Why do you need so many threads on the same topic?

Since I always have been in favor of enforcing restrictions in the Covenant until they are amended/changed, and an espouser AGAINST ambiguous (therefor unenforceable) restrictions I would guess that it is actually "c) beats me".

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

JOHN

The year is 2017 NOT 1950's!!!!!

Get over it!!!!

Meter 0%

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318

Posted:

Let's try this....Pickup trucks of today were not built when the bylaw was written so that definition of that truck bylaw doesn't pertain to today's pickup. Trucks of that day were trucks of that time not of this time...Please come to the Future!!!!!
And your any kind is of that time not this time!!!! Unless you want to go back in time and include the words and all future pickups that become passenger rated vehicles and ones that can hover off the ground and can go into outer space!!!

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059

Posted:

The equine is starting to smell.

DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724

Posted:

Quote:

Posted By JohnB83 on 10/19/2017 6:59 PM
Dave,

Please state YOUR interpretation of the following phrase:

No trucks of any kind ...

I do admit when I misinterpret something.

Let me!

Since you seem to have such a problem with words, let's try pictures!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=No+trucks+sign&rlz=1C1KMZB_enUS552US552&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin67Xop__WAhXKqlQKHdJ_BbQQ_AUICigB&biw=1680&bih=957

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

http://truck-photos.net.s3.amazonaws.com/5045.jpg

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

Tim,

The horse has actually liquefied.

DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724

Posted:

THAT! is a truck!

I feel that we are making progress!

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124

Posted:

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