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GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
HOA's settlement offer to fix all the damages to my unit comes with I have to move out! HOA also wants a confidentiality clause and I wonder why? Any one know if that is possible and who do they want to hide the settlement from, there is only 9 units and they will be paying the assessment on it, so what don't they want them to know?
GwenG (Florida)
Posts: 669
Posted:
Wow! Does "move out" mean you have to sell? Or just go somewhere else to live and continue to own and pay assessments? Are there any additional sales/relocation terms that the HOA would like to dictate? Price? Time parameters? Terms of sale? You have to move at least xx miles away? You can't talk to the media?

I am curious about the background here and why they are fixing the condo rather than allow a court to decide and why they are so anxious for a gag order on you. Confidentiality clauses try to keep others from learning about something the HOA did that they don't want others to know about. Ordinarily, these are the kinds of issues they would lose if they went to court and then it would be public record.

Maybe you could get a high price from your HOA and they could buy back your unit!

This is so ridiculous sounding that I am tempted to think that it's a joke. If it's not, it could be a HUD complaint in the making "hostile housing environment". Keep good records and document every single thing in detail.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I suspect they want you to move out while they do the repairs as part of the settlement. Basically they don't want you crying "Mold spores" in the air causing you to be sick while they are exposing such. You can't rip out a floor, wall, ceiling, or plumbing without a mold exposure risk. (Not all mold is bad). Since you did not describe what the work is, it lend me to believe there is some kind of deconstruction involved.

The confidentiality agreement most likely isn't to keep it a secret they are doing the work. It's most likely to keep the terms confidential. Basically they don't want everyone to know that they are paying you X amount of money and a neighbor does same thing and gets no X amount of money. What then? That person going to get upset and demand your same terms. Even if they aren't the same.

So you came up with a settlement. Which is something you got to live with. Sounds like it means they want you out temporarily while they do the work. Which means no interfering or exposing you to health risks.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I think attorneys put in a confidentiality clause in every settlement offer they make.

Simply counter with that clause stricken citing that Association records will show payments anyway to any member who desires to look.
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
The President of the HOA wants a for sale sign put up after settlement and they will come look at the damages and see if they should fix it...Plus they want me to pay their Attorney and all fee's. The President acted with one other board member with no vote to take me to court to get an injunction for my 2016 ram 1500 crew cab for parking over night. My damages are the Foundation lifting in the winter that has racked my entry door that when that happens is almost non operable. Also new siding has been leaking above the front entry door for over a year and has caused water damage and delaminate of the frame. Then a few weeks after new siding my side wall going up the stair case blew out and cracked from the stair to the ceiling. this is from the slab sinking by 1" into the corner by the stairs.

I'm going to move and just want the unit fixed and pay my Attorney fee's.

Thanks and this is real!!!!
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
They want me to move out and sell. They may fix what they think should be done by them. They want me to sign a Release with the settlement before anything is done. Board isn't voting on anything just the President. Wasn't born yesterday

Thanks
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Good point and I do want to protect some of the people...only 9 units. This will also allow others to bring a suit against Board President for Breach of contract and other things.

Thanks
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am a little unclear of the relationship with the HOA being responsible for your construction problems? The builder should be the one which should be involved with construction issues. The HOA is basically the "Club" you belong to being an owner.

The settlement sounds separate than the construction issues you mention. The settlement is from the truck issue? So did you then bring up the construction issues as a retaliation ploy?

The HOA isn't in the Real Estate business. It's also not in the building business. The company that built your house is in that business.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
As Tim said, a confidentiality agreement isn’t that unusual, although with a 9 unit community, I get the feeling some of your neighbors may already know what’s going on (human nature being what it is, some people can’t keep quiet about raging conflicts, especially if they’re involved and they want a jump on telling their side of the story).

That said, I don’t know why the board wants a confidentiality agreement – perhaps so many stories have come out about this, they want to stop all the talking and guessing about who will do what and why, If you want your neighbors to hear your side, don’t sign and yap away – but don’t be surprised if the board digs in and refuses to give you anything without a court order.

Since you haven’t given us any backstory as to what happened and how you got to this point, I think it’s time you calm down, take a step back and consider what your end game is. Do you want your unit repaired? Do you want the HOA to buy it and then they can repair it or do whatever they want with it? Do you want the unit repaired, the HOA or someone to buy it – and then serve up a dish of crow to the Board and have everyone watch them eat it?
It’s ok to come here and vent, but that’s not fixing your problem. Be hard on the problem and soft on the people (so sayeth an old negotiation textbook I read years ago).

I’m not suggesting the board has been completely innocent, but I think you might want to concentrate on getting the unit fixed and then determine your future in this community. If the repairs won’t allow you to stay in the home while the work is being done, ask if the board will pay (or at least split) your living expense costs. If you’re already contacted an attorney about all this, get out of his/her way and watch him/her work. Or you and the board should consider alternative dispute resolution.

ADR can be faster and a lot cheaper than court and often both sides agree in advance to comply with the mediator’s decision. It can be a lot less formal than going to court and a good mediator can usually find a solution somewhere in the middle where everyone gets a little of what they want. You might want to check if there’s some sort of mediation program in your area. Once you do that, suggest that to the board and see what happens

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Settlement is for everything! No builder! HOA put new siding up on my unit leaking before and still leaking over a year causing damages! Foundation was HOA common area and they must repair! Please read closely and maybe you'll understand better.
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
What you said is what i'm trying to do. I'm not venting was just asking if telling some one they must move was llegal. Just wondered if any one new about the confidential part.

Here is what I would like:
1-Repair foundation from lifting
2-Repair hole in wall [8'x8'] going up staircase and Prime & Paint...Water damage from common area and foundation shift
3-Remove ceramic tile and replace...Crack in slab cracked tile in entry way from slab lift
4-Remove and replace Entry door for damage caused by water leaking from old and new siding..Could have gone after contractor but has been over a year.
5-let me park in the driveway with my truck till I move...can't park on streets....MOVING I've been trying to move for 2 years...damages go back to that time of siding damage...couldn't sell till issues were fixed then more problems came because they wouldn't fix the problems and still haven't.
6-Pay all my Attorney and other fee's and no Assessment.

We don't have ADR
President acting on his own without board approval [vote]
If this was taken care of in a prompt manner I would be gone and would have cost the Association a lot less.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Still not seeing the HOA responsibility to you. The issue is the HOA needs to contact the people who installed the siding. You are only part owner of that common area along with the rest of your neighbors. Majority rules. The HOA doesn't have to fix that staircase if they choose not to on common area.

You still do not have the right to park your truck if the restrictions say so. Just because it will convenience you to do so. It's common area not owned by you but ALL of you. The HOA just enforces the restrictions they choose to put on that common area. They choose they don't want you to park your truck there.

Sorry but still not connecting the dots when you say common area and the HOA owes you to fix it. Again, it's common area. A bad siding job means the HOA contacts the siding installer. A bad staircase in the HOA common area? It's the HOA decision what they want to do not yours.

Former HOA President
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Common area HOA responsibility for drywall out...Drywall blew out. Same with foundation.
Our bylaws state that if common area causes damage to a unit the Association or Insurance pays for all damages. And to be repaired promptly.It's been over a year and will be hard to go after contractor for the siding work which makes the Association responsibility for all damages.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The HOA is you and your neighbors. Where do you think money comes from to pay for repairs, maintenance, or insurance?

Former HOA President
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
They can't force you to sell, that is an FHA violation, A BIG ONE.
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
That's right and I want it fixed and the bylaws back me..no assessment to me in settlement.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
What does your attorney say about the legality of them requesting that you move?

The BEST way to get an answer on that is to decline the settlement and pursue the case through the legal system.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am not sure we are getting the full story on this one before one advises more legal action against the HOA. It's a 9 member HOA. That's pretty damaging to the whole HOA to be this much into legal issues and demanding of repairs. Step back and look at what the OP is demanding and having the settlement over.

He's in a settlement but then says the HOA wants them to pay their legal expenses? Something doesn't pass the smell test here. That would have been part of the settlement via the court system. So this "settlement" was it by a judge or arbritration?

The demand of these repairs. It's for common area but the OP is treating it like it's their personal property. Yes their personal property may be effected by the bad siding job. However, everything else listed was all on common area. I don't see why that makes the HOA liable to fix on the op's demanding schedule.

Plus the fact they want to continue to park a truck when I believe the "settlement" issue involved that being a violation of the HOA rules. Yet he feels he should still have the right to park his truck there?

Again we are getting one side of this. It's time to play "Devil's advocate" here to see the full picture.

Former HOA President
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Attorney says they can put stupid things in a settlement which I'm not taking. The President has broken State laws for years by doing what he wants and by what he thinks what everything means. This President breaks the truck rule himself if you go by what he says it means and has allowed another person to violate it also. President has all this crap like yard flags, flower pots and religious statues that can be seen by everyone..This is a violation in our bylaws. Their has been no VOTE by the Association or the unanimous vote of the board. In fact he emailed the one board member that they didn't need her to agree because the majority agreed, no meeting no vote the other two just agreed on it. So now this President has wrung up a Attorney bill to over $5000 dollars without legal standing. He deems to be handling the negotiations all on his own without the board and it's approval or even the Association for that matter.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The President is probably the main POC for the lawyer. I know when we faced legal actions my position as president was the designated position to deal with the lawyer ONLY. So your President handling everything isn't that unusual. It's the preferred method as too many hands in the pot when dealing with lawyers is a very bad thing.

Still doesn't sound like a settlement is really happening. Does this truck have a sign on it? Is it a work truck? I used to own a Ram 1500. It was so big it barely fit into my garage. Ended up trading it in due to it's size. The other trucks may not be used as work but as personal vehicles. Work trucks are a big no-no in HOA's.

I am still seeing the other side of this. It seems you are in violation of the truck rule and then acting angrily over it. That is demanding repairs that are in common areas. Which is owned by ALL the HOA. They don't have to fix it if they can't afford it or don't feel it needs addressed. Plenty of HOA's have condition issues. My HOA has rail road tie retaining walls. They are termite havens. However, removing them would send those termites to the homes. You would then say the HOA isn't doing their job by removing these walls?

Step back and take a breath. Realize the actions you are taking is out of anger not in reason. Put a little reason into your sight line.

Former HOA President
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Please read carefully!!!!!

This has a court date not reached yet
Trying to settle before going to court
I've parked my pickup for over 6 years in my driveway.
President has parked is pickup for over 3 years in the driveway
Neighbor has parked his work lettered van and trucks in the driveway for over 20 years
President knew I was going to take them to court to fix Common area and my damage [in the bylaws]
President brought suit on his own through the Association without vote.
Not going to state all the bylaws and rules that say the Association is responsible to repair all damages and in a prompt time frame not doing it when and if they want to!
Maybe you would live with a 8' x 8' hole in your wall and live with ceramic tile torn out in your entry way that can't be repaired till foundation is repaired and a front entry door that is getting worse as we speak by water infiltration and racking of the unit from the lifting of the slap which causes it to be a safety factor.
I've tried to be nice and I don't get anything done they don't even come to look at it. Negligence!!!!

If there is anything you want to ask just ask and don't make crap up.
You seem just like this President saying I demand when I always request thing and he says I'm demanding.

BUT NOW I AM DEMANDING IT BE DONE SO I CAN SELL AND MOVE OUT OF A DETERIORATING ASSOCIATION THAT DOESN'T TAKE MAINTENANCE SERIOUS ENOUGH TO NOT CAUSE DAMAGE TO OTHERS.

THANKS
MichelleK5 (New York)
Posts: 161
Posted:
I'm not commenting on your issues with your HOA.

But the fact that they're saying "we'll fix if you sell" is the most unscrupulous, illegal thing a board can say/do. Get a good attorney, and take them to court.

Since purchasing in an HOA I've learned a few things. Sometimes, certain board members think the HOA is their personal playground and they can do as they wish. The only thing that works is, a good attorney and legal action.

I'm still shocked that they're trying to settle based on you selling.. wow.

GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
Settlement has been declined and for now just trying to get work done so I can move. Looking in to making sure the board voted on the offer or was it just the President. Trying to catch him so we can go after him personally so he can pay for everything.
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
2016 Ram 1500 crew with the long bed..Passenger plates not commercial looks like it just came off the showroom floor and has no signs or racks or anything related to work trucks. The issues in my unit are safety issues and hazardous to my health [mold].Can't sell the house with the damage so what should I do? I tried to get them to fix the problems and I would even help, but they [He] didn't want to do anything about it so that's why it in court...would love to just settle so I can sell and move but he wants the Lawyer paid and I'm not paying for that because he did wrong to bring that suit. I've got to ask how come you never say anything bad about what boards do illegally and the way they treat people? They can do what they want and can't be held liable for it?
JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124
Posted:
correct, not 'right' but correct, UNLESS you go to court and petition for 'specific performance' under your contract (Covenant)

however

YOUR 'hands are dirty'
since YOU are in willful violation of (k), which is applicable to ANY truck

evidently you are such a PITA that 'they' want you actually gone
JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124
Posted:
ps. I am an expert on PITAs.
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
You are so right about the people that get in power! The last President which he moved had a saying that this was his Kingdom and he was the King! And I thought he was bad, this new one is a Commandant. I do have a lawyer!

Thanks
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GuyM1 on 10/18/2017 10:38 AM
2016 Ram 1500 crew with the long bed..Passenger plates not commercial looks like it just came off the showroom floor and has no signs or racks or anything related to work trucks. The issues in my unit are safety issues and hazardous to my health [mold].Can't sell the house with the damage so what should I do? I tried to get them to fix the problems and I would even help, but they [He] didn't want to do anything about it so that's why it in court...would love to just settle so I can sell and move but he wants the Lawyer paid and I'm not paying for that because he did wrong to bring that suit. I've got to ask how come you never say anything bad about what boards do illegally and the way they treat people? They can do what they want and can't be held liable for it?


Personally .... would be a cold day down below before I paid for any attorney fees when potentially in the right with regards to issues for repairs with my unit!!! If potentially everyone and their dog including BOD members are violating parking .... that is a separate issue. The most important aspect should be insuring the health and safety of your family and proper repairs.
MarkM31 (Washington)
Posts: 494
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GuyM1 on 10/17/2017 2:36 PM
HOA's settlement offer to fix all the damages to my unit comes with I have to move out! HOA also wants a confidentiality clause and I wonder why? Any one know if that is possible and who do they want to hide the settlement from, there is only 9 units and they will be paying the assessment on it, so what don't they want them to know?

The confidentiality clause is quite possible and proper if applied correctly. Who it wouldn't apply to is anybody who is a member of the HOA. They all have a right to examine all contracts which the HOA enters, this being one of them.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkM31 on 10/19/2017 8:27 PM
Posted By GuyM1 on 10/17/2017 2:36 PM
HOA's settlement offer to fix all the damages to my unit comes with I have to move out! HOA also wants a confidentiality clause and I wonder why? Any one know if that is possible and who do they want to hide the settlement from, there is only 9 units and they will be paying the assessment on it, so what don't they want them to know?


The confidentiality clause is quite possible and proper if applied correctly. Who it wouldn't apply to is anybody who is a member of the HOA. They all have a right to examine all contracts which the HOA enters, this being one of them.


LOL ... It is not called a Confidentiality Clause for nothing. Of course they do not want others to know of any potential settlement.

If other owners are having the same issue as yourself and have not been willing to confront the HOA ... if they know your settlement criteria the HOA could have bigger fish to fry. LOL ... of course I agree with Mark in that the HOA info should be available to ALL owners. However, they will try to pull the wool over everyone's head and try to say info is bound by a "confidentiality agreement". Unless owners know their rights they will potentially fall for the trash. However, State laws can vary and you need to check with your state laws on this issue.
GuyM1 (Ohio)
Posts: 318
Posted:
I understand what your saying but my thing is we are only 9 units and 4 people know just don't think it's fair for the other 5. Me, 1 board member that didn't want to do the suit that the president put someone in her place without putting her in the voting process and the 3 on the board. But this new development in the foundation problem that the board hasn't done anything about, while I had a foundation guy out just the other day and found that the unit tied to the sinking area has the same issue. Guess what that owner went to the President and told him what my inspector found. Now I had to get some info for the Inspector on if the slab were continuous or divide. so I went to the city and found out the slabs do continue through the dividing wall. Both sides are sloping in the same direction. So I had to have the Inspector come back after finding the information for him. So he's coming out tomorrow and so I went to tell the neighbor what time. He told me that the president would be there and needed to see my unit...Funny nothing for me in almost two years and the neighbor gets it in a day from the President. Hope I can use that in court!
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GuyM1 on 10/19/2017 10:06 PM
I understand what your saying but my thing is we are only 9 units and 4 people know just don't think it's fair for the other 5. Me, 1 board member that didn't want to do the suit that the president put someone in her place without putting her in the voting process and the 3 on the board. But this new development in the foundation problem that the board hasn't done anything about, while I had a foundation guy out just the other day and found that the unit tied to the sinking area has the same issue. Guess what that owner went to the President and told him what my inspector found. Now I had to get some info for the Inspector on if the slab were continuous or divide. so I went to the city and found out the slabs do continue through the dividing wall. Both sides are sloping in the same direction. So I had to have the Inspector come back after finding the information for him. So he's coming out tomorrow and so I went to tell the neighbor what time. He told me that the president would be there and needed to see my unit...Funny nothing for me in almost two years and the neighbor gets it in a day from the President. Hope I can use that in court!


Sigh ... If you are only 9 units ALL should be paying attention at any meetings. Sorry if 5 have apathy ... that is NO excuse. If you choose to purchase in an HOA and then ignore issues ... you potentially get what you have reaped. What you might not think is fair .... I potentially believe opposite.

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