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LyndenG (North Carolina)
Posts: 1
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We are a new association in the process of hiring a management company. Above their monthly contracted fees, we are noticing paragraphs in their sample contracts asking for the costs for postage, envelops, etc. While we don't have an issue with some of these could some of you weigh in on what these extra costs are amounting to in your associations. Is 50 dollars a month or 100 dollars every quarter a good number to budget. Or is it zero? Asking the management company is like..> "Would you like money or MONEY?" We are only 96 lots. Thanks...Lynn
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Figure $1.00 per letter (paper, ink, envelope, stamp).
So you are the best to figure that out.

Annual meeting notice - $1.00 x # of lots
Enforcement notification - $1.00 x average # of complaints
Late payment notices - $1.00 x average # of late payers

Personally, I wouldn't sign such an agreement.

Keep in mind that if you like the company, you can negotiate the contract. We have changed terms (over what they boiler plate) with our trash contract and with our landscape contract.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By LyndenG on 10/07/2017 2:29 AM
We are a new association in the process of hiring a management company. Above their monthly contracted fees, we are noticing paragraphs in their sample contracts asking for the costs for postage, envelops, etc. While we don't have an issue with some of these could some of you weigh in on what these extra costs are amounting to in your associations. Is 50 dollars a month or 100 dollars every quarter a good number to budget. Or is it zero? Asking the management company is like..> "Would you like money or MONEY?" We are only 96 lots. Thanks...Lynn

LyndenG,
The reason for including extra costs in the management agreement is because these are variables which are not controlled by management company. All additional items not listed in the agreement which are not included in the basic monthly rate are covered under extra costs. The Board may decide to send out numerous mailings. Meanwhile, they could include the cost of XX number of mailings in the basic monthly rate.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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We budgeted $2,500 for "postage/copies/office supplies" in 2016 and went over budget by about $250. That's how much our bookkeeper (property mgmt co.) charges us. On a monthly basis the cost against this line item always seems excessive to me. We do not send out numerous mailings. In fact, we did have to send something out a couple of months ago to all 100 owners and the board balked at first because they didn't want to pay the postage which would have been all of $50. Meanwhile, we have a couple hundred a month in the budget for "postage/copies/supplies" and nobody bats an eye at that or questions the amount, all of which is an add-on billing from our bookkeeper above and beyond the normal contractual payments.

Be careful and make sure all those costs are identified and spelled out in your contract with them. Then make sure someone actually reviews the detailed financial reports every month. Prefereable more than one person.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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Management company charges for mailings etc don't just include the cost of the paper, postage, envelope. There is also a human being who must be paid to run the copier or postage machine, and part of the markup on those fees goes toward the necessary admin staff.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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112 homes. Our postage (mailings) run about $400 per year. We do 2-3 to all owners per year.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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We lived in an association with 237 homes. Postage, reproduction, envelopes, etc. could run $500-$3,000 a year or more, depending on how many compliance violations, architectural change requests not processed by e-mail, annual meeting notices of more than six sheets, assessment invoices, special assessment invoices, and associated documents were involved. Even more if there is a newsletter mailed and not available electronically. A single mailing, regular first class postage, with one regular envelope and one sheet of paper printed on one side cost about $300.00.

In Texas much of this can (now) be done by e-mail, but only if the property owner "opts-in".

I recommend you discuss with the management company the proposed mailing volumes. Do not forget to include clerical hours/dollars to put all this together, reproduction expenses, mileage to FedEx, board meeting documents, annual meeting documents, assessment invoices, notifications following annual meetings, and other reproduction expenses. And postage--the postage expenses really escalate if you exceed one ounce or have to use envelopes larger than regular #9 or #10 business envelopes.

A prospective management company should not be expected to eat any of these expenses.
RonH16 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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We have 140 homes. We budget postage and delivery for 500.00, printing and reproduction 100.00. Sometimes we run over sometimes we don't. It depends on how much the board wants the manager to do mailings and how cooperative the homeowners are to follow the C&R'.

We also send quarterly news letters. Charges for this also include the time to fold letters, stuff the envelope etc. This is something you can control to a degree. Think what is necessary to send out versus what is nice to send out. We have talked to several companies and they all have the some basic costs for what you are talking about.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Good advice on consider what must be sent out versus what might be nice but not necessary. Must means US Mail, Nice means Email even if all do not have.

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