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ReneeP3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 42
Posted:
I do not have a lien on my property. I am a type "A" personality and the annual maintenance fee (the only fee in the covenants and bylaws) has always been paid before January 1st of the coming year.

Our documents automatically create a lien for annual maintenancee fees. The HOA has periodically filed a public lien using an attorney or management company that went beyond the $175.00 annual maintenance charge and they have filed liens that include interest, and processing fees.

No documents, not the Corporations, the Covenants, the Bylaws, (we have no rules/regs), provide the association to charge interest, charge penalties for non-payment nor transfer the cost of hiring a lawyer to the homeowner. In otherwords, simply put, the total sum that the HOA can lien is $175.00 per annum ( I think)

The HOA has sent out to 10 homeowners letters that indicate that if the Homeowners do not pay their $175.00, the HOA will hire an attorney to file lien and the cost to the homeowner will be upwards of $800.00.

Can the HOA attach attorney's fees, interest, late fees if the governing documents are silent on the matter?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Renee

Do your docs say anything about recovering reasonable costs? If so, hiring an attorney to go after deadbeats could be considered a reasonable cost.

Ours allow us to add interest, legal costs, late payments, reasonable costs, etc. We had one deadbeat owner that owed us $1,600.00 in dues (4 years worth) and by the time all was said and done, our law firm was going after her for $6,000.00
ReneeP3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 42
Posted:
John, below is the total wording as to the maintenance charges:

HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND MAINTENANCES CHARGES:

1. The XXXXXXX Homeowners Association is a non-profit corporation. The membership will consist of the owners of lots in XXXXXX subdivision, Sections I and II. There shall be one vote for each lot for which dues are paid.

2. All the numbered lots on the recorded plat shall be subject to an annual maintenance charge or assessment at the rate not to exceed one hundred seventy-five dollars ($175.00) per year. The first assessment of $175.00 shall be due and payable on January 1, following the date the deed is delivered to the Purchaser of a lot in the subdivision from the XXXXXX Homeowners Association, and thereafter shall be due and payable in advance on each and every succeeding January 1.

The assessment of $175.00 herein provided shall remain effective for a period of one year after the date these covenants are executed. Thereafter, the assessment shall remain the same until it is increased, decreased or discontinued, as from time to time may be determined by the XXXX Homeowners Association.

I skip here because following is a list of what the HOA can use the annual maintenance fee for. However, it clearly states that the HOA isn't required to perform any of the items listed.

6. The annual charge shall constitute a lien or encumbrance on the land and acceptance for each of the several deeds of conveyance shall be construed to be a covenant by the grantee to pay said charge, which covenant shall run with the land and be binding upon the Grantee and his successors and assigns. The XXXX Homeowners Association shall have the exclusive right to take and prosecute all actions or suits legal or otherwise which may be necessary for the collection of said charges.

7. In the event that it is necessary to foreclose the lien herein created as to any property, the procedure for foreclosure shall be the same as for the foreclosure of a real estate mortgage.

8. The lien hereby reserved, however, shall be subject to the following limitations:

a. Such lien shall be at all times subordinate to the lien of any Mortage lender of any sum secured by a properly recorded Mortgage to the end and intent of any such Mortgage, or lien instrument shall be paramount to the lien for charges that shall become payable prior to the passing of title under foreclosure of such Morgage or acqauisition of title by deed in lieu of foreclosure.

b. Notice of any charge charge due and payable shall be given by filing notice of lien in the Office of the Clerk of the Court for XXXXXX County, South Carolina. As to the subsequent bonafide purchaser for value the lien herein reserved for charges due and payable shall be effective only from the time of filing of said lien; provided, however, that nothing contained herein shall affect the right of the Association to enforce the collection of any charges that shall become due and payable after the acquisition of title by such subsequent bonafide purchaser for value.

ReneeP3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 42
Posted:
No, there is nothing about recovery from any party reasonable costs, anywhere in any document.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ReneeP3 on 09/25/2017 9:53 AM
No, there is nothing about recovery from any party reasonable costs, anywhere in any document.

I say the right to recover costs is it is right there in your docs:

6. The annual charge shall constitute a lien or encumbrance on the land and acceptance for each of the several deeds of conveyance shall be construed to be a covenant by the grantee to pay said charge, which covenant shall run with the land and be binding upon the Grantee and his successors and assigns. The XXXX Homeowners Association shall have the exclusive right to take and prosecute all actions or suits legal or otherwise which may be necessary for the collection of said charges.
ReneeP3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 42
Posted:

Clearly , the exclusive RIGHT to take and prosecute all actions or suits legal or otherwise which may be necessary for the collect of said charges,
is the right of the Association.

The above establishes the exclusive right of the HOA to take and prosecute all actions or suits that may be necessary to collect the $175.00 charges. That means that I cannot sue a neighbor for their failure to pay the annual maintenance, that is an exclusive right of the HOA.

Remember my question. Why is our HOA sending letters to 10 people saying if they do not pay $175.00 now, they will file a lien for $800.00 on their property when the covenants do not allow for interest on late payments, fines for late payment, or recovery of attorney's fees?

How is #6 authorization to recover costs for filing a lien?

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Why haven't you talked to your board about this? Did you get one of these letters (sounds like it)? If so, did you provide documentation proving the money was paid before January 1? Note I said "paid" - in many associations (like mine), sending the payment by snail mail and postmarking it on Jan. 1 isn't enough because the money won't be in the association's hands on that date.

John noted your documents do state the HOA can take legal action to collect unpaid dues, but as you also know, filing liens, lawsuits or attorneys isn't cheap or free. Since association has to take this action to collect, why shouldn't it also have the right to seek reimbursement of those collection costs, especially since those costs come out of the payments made by other homeowners like you? I'd rather my HOA use $800 to pay for some sort of improvement to the common area or a service like lawn care, which is what assessments are supposed to be used for?

Now if you think your documents are being misinterpreted, you should go to an attorney to review them to get answers to legal questions (which is what you're asking and most of us who respond on this site aren't attorneys). If they haven't already done so, the Board should establish a collection policy which would address what will happen if the annual assessment isn't paid by X date, noting the homeowner is responsible for all collection costs, including attorneys fees. In my association, we send the collection policy to homeowners every year, along with the itemized budget for the upcoming year, so everyone knows exactly what to expect. If the board revises the policy, which it can do, a revision date is posted on top of the form (I was on my board for 10 years, 5 of them treasurer, so making sure everyone knew what was up was a big issue for me).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Renee

We do not and will not play lawyer for you. We can give you our beliefs and experience, that is all.

I say your HOA has the right to recover all cost (lawyer fees, mailing cost, bookkeeping cost, fair interest, etc.) associated with collecting unpaid dues based on the wording you provided.

I also believe any owner can sue a fellow owner for Covenant violations. Thus I say you could personally sue a deadbeat owner for their unpaid dues. You seeking additional monies to cover your costs is a question beyond my knowledge base.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Renee,

If you investigate the appropriate lien laws of your State, I expect that you will find that the party filing the lien has the right to also collect costs associated with the collection effort as this tends to be common.

If one prefers to challenge the amount of said costs, they will need to take the issue through the courts.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ReneeP3 on 09/25/2017 10:48 AM

Clearly , the exclusive RIGHT to take and prosecute all actions or suits legal or otherwise which may be necessary for the collect of said charges,
is the right of the Association.

The above establishes the exclusive right of the HOA to take and prosecute all actions or suits that may be necessary to collect the $175.00 charges. That means that I cannot sue a neighbor for their failure to pay the annual maintenance, that is an exclusive right of the HOA.

Remember my question. Why is our HOA sending letters to 10 people saying if they do not pay $175.00 now, they will file a lien for $800.00 on their property when the covenants do not allow for interest on late payments, fines for late payment, or recovery of attorney's fees? LOL ... Because you are potentially looking at the wrong documents (covenants)) and also what your State Laws allow.

How is #6 authorization to recover costs for filing a lien?


Your State Horizontal Property Law allows:

SECTION 27-31-160. Provisions required in bylaws; modification of system of administration.

The bylaws must necessarily provide for at least the following:

(a) Form of administration, indicating whether this shall be in charge of an administrator or of a board of administration, or otherwise, and specifying the powers, manner of removal and, where proper, the compensation thereof;

(b) Method of calling or summoning the co-owners to assemble; that a majority of at least fifty-one percent is required to adopt decisions; who is to preside over the meeting and who will keep the minutes book wherein the resolutions shall be recorded;

(c) Care, upkeep and surveillance of the property and its general or limited common elements and services;

(d) Manner of collecting from the co-owners for the payment of the common expenses;


(e) Designation and dismissal of the personnel necessary for the works and the general or limited common services of the property.

The sole owner of the property or, if there be more than one, the co-owners representing two thirds of the total value of the property, may at any time modify the system of administration, but each one of the particulars set forth in this section shall always be embodied in the bylaws. No such modification may be operative until it is embodied in a recorded instrument which shall be recorded in the same office and in the same manner as was the master deed or lease and original bylaws of the horizontal property regime involved.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 57-509; 1962 (52) 1866; 1967 (55) 449; 1970 (56) 2572.

SECTION 27-31-170. Compliance with bylaws, rules, and regulations; remedy for noncompliance.

Each co-owner shall comply strictly with the bylaws and with the administrative rules and regulations adopted pursuant thereto, as either of the same may be lawfully amended from time to time, and with the covenants, conditions and restrictions set forth in the master deed or lease or in the deed or lease to his apartment. Failure to comply with any of the same shall be grounds for a civil action to recover sums due for damages or injunctive relief, or both, maintainable by the administrator or the board of administration, or other form of administration specified in the bylaws, on behalf of the council of co-owners, or in a proper case, by an aggrieved co-owner.

HISTORY: 1962 Code Section 57-510; 1967 (55) 449; 1973 (58) 783.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Janet

The SC Horizontal Property Act applies to multi floor (high rise ala condo building) associations. It does not apply to single family, townhouse, duplex or multiplex home, etc. associations.

Not sure what the OP's units are like.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We are allowed to add the cost of filing the lien, back dues, state allowable interest, and any related expense. (Certified letters, newspaper ads, etc...) The late fees is the only thing in question if we charge or not. That is because that falls along the lines of "fines". Which we don't assess or is part of a lien in some states. It's also a negotiation point when working with someone who is willing to compromise prior to filing the lien.


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ReneeP3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 42
Posted:
Thank you everyone for your responses.

Tim: As always, I appreciate the direction. I spent 5 hours last night and 2 this morning trying to find the answers to whether the HOA has the right to collect costs of filing the lien. Apparently I'm not searching this correctly, because I haven't gotten an answer. If you've got any thoughts on how to search this on the internet, I'd be grateful for your help.

The State of South Carolina does have a SC Horizontal Property Act as John and Janet referenced. We are a subdivision of single family homes therefore this doesn't apply.

Sheila, I purposefully stated that I do not have a lien on my home and that I always pay my HOA assessment before January 1st. I pay so far ahead that it took me two years to understand that the Management Company was actually holding my payments for deposit until after January 1st. The reason why I know this is that around December 28th, I would call the management company to verify that they received the payment because it had not cleared my bank account. The property management company enlighted me on their policy of holding HOA assessments until the new calendar year. It grieves me to the bottom of my soul that we have reached a point in this society that what is said by a person is not looked at as the truth, but instead is looked at as a lie.

The problem in communication is not the members to the HOA, it is the HOA to it's members. I have sent, in the past 3 years, 7 inquiries about covenants/bylaws and only once have I received a response. Other members have received worse treatment. They have requested a meeting and literally the HOA has refused to meet or if they agreed to meet, refused to look at a homeowners documentation. You know where that lead.....to $20,600 cost of a lawsuit.

One of the greatest benefits to this site is the opinions and perspectives to consider in an equation. I wasn't asking for a legal opinion. Truthfully, I also don't bank on legal opinions. In every court case, one of the attorney's is right and one is wrong. If there was ever testimony to errors made in the courts, read caselaw and how many decisions are overturned on appeal. However, some folks in fact may have dealt with an issue in court or by meeting with an attorney and do have a legal opinion regarding an issue for everyone to consider.

From my personal position, I am looking for only truth and understanding and to make certain that our HOA doesn't get too far out into the weeds.

Melissa, you say that your HOA is allowed to lien back dues, state allowable interest, and related expenses. Is this by law or by the wording in your documents? Before I came here to pose the question, I'd already looked at multiple legal websites. When the website addressed these issues directly, all of them said that the ability to lien and the costs are according to the documents. Perhaps 6 websites total. Because they weren't necessarily all in South Carolina, and I understand that each state has different rules, I have to wonder if something more is out there that allows them to pass in the lien the cost of attorney's fees/processing fees.

Sincerely, I thank all of you. For your help.

JohnB83 (South Carolina)
Posts: 124
Posted:
6. The annual charge shall constitute a lien or encumbrance on the land and acceptance for each of the several deeds of conveyance shall be construed to be a covenant by the grantee to pay said charge, which covenant shall run with the land and be binding upon the Grantee and his successors and assigns. The XXXX Homeowners Association shall have the exclusive right to take and prosecute all actions or suits legal or otherwise which may be necessary for the collection of said charges.

7. In the event that it is necessary to foreclose the lien herein created as to any property, the procedure for foreclosure shall be the same as for the foreclosure of a real estate mortgage.

8. The lien hereby reserved, however, shall be subject to the following limitations:

a. Such lien shall be at all times subordinate to the lien of any Mortage lender of any sum secured by a properly recorded Mortgage to the end and intent of any such Mortgage, or lien instrument shall be paramount to the lien for charges that shall become payable prior to the passing of title under foreclosure of such Morgage or acqauisition of title by deed in lieu of foreclosure.

b. Notice of any charge charge due and payable shall be given by filing notice of lien in the Office of the Clerk of the Court for XXXXXX County, South Carolina. As to the subsequent bonafide purchaser for value the lien herein reserved for charges due and payable shall be effective only from the time of filing of said lien; provided, however, that nothing contained herein shall affect the right of the Association to enforce the collection of any charges that shall become due and payable after the acquisition of title by such subsequent bonafide purchaser for value.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ReneeP3 on 09/26/2017 11:54 AM

Tim: As always, I appreciate the direction. I spent 5 hours last night and 2 this morning trying to find the answers to whether the HOA has the right to collect costs of filing the lien. Apparently I'm not searching this correctly, because I haven't gotten an answer. If you've got any thoughts on how to search this on the internet, I'd be grateful for your help.


an internet search on SC Lien laws would provide links

an internet search on SC HOA Lien laws would provide links

Here is one such article from nolo: South Carolina HOA and COA Foreclosures

Bottom line, until someone who has a lien wants to challenge said lien in the courts, the Association can likely include all costs of collection.

Fortunately, per your postings, you won't run into this issue.

Keep in mind that by charging the costs of collection to the delinquent owner keeps everyone else from having to pay that bill (i.e. lower assessments)

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