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CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Treasurer after resigning and coming back again in a new temporary board said in a meeting

"we need a management company with a lawyer in their pockets"

whay is him trying to say...and do...

Anybody know a Management company with a lawyer in the pockets? Sounds Weird
I had my cam license 20 years ago and first time I see this.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
What is a "temporary board"?

What would a management company with a lawyer in their pocket do for you? What is the stated purpose of this? Sounds shady.

As of July 1 an HOA's attorney must not also work for the HOA's management company. That's for condos only, however, and if you're in an HOA there is no such prohibition.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Correction, a CONDO association's attorney must not also work for the CONDO association's management company. The new law doesn't apply to HOAs at all.
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Temporary Board means ,management company and complete board resigned.A temporary board was created by a couple of unit owners assisting to the meeting no more than 6 until a Permament Board is elecyted to avoid appointee for the State.Treasurer of the resigned Board is Back to avoid complain in progress.T o my common sense understanding resigning and return should have a period of time or at least more accessories.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CarlosC5 on 08/16/2017 5:59 AM

To my common sense understanding resigning and return should have a period of time or at least more accessories.

Keep in mind that it appears actions are being taken to keep from going into receivership.

What you think should happen or what you believe would be the common sense thing to do doesn't always occur. Should happen and required to happen are two different things. One is subjective the other is quantitative.
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:

The law is written in sense,Officer resign because there is a complain against him,complain is in progress even there is a criminal action involved,and now he wants to comeback like a new day without problem,sounds fishy,management company resigned and is delivering docs to the board the 19 of this month,
he return because he want delete evidence that involve him in the criminal case,they denied the worker was part of the condominium and I have the proof now
I believe after you resign in a complain you should not come back too soon.Otherwise the law is fishy too.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
The treasurer quit and then returned??? Where, pray, are the rest of the homeowners on this? Y’all may be in for a ride that you don’t like, so I suggest you start rallying them together to find out who’s running the show. It’s good that some homeowners have stepped forward to serve as board members, but I’m sure they need help in figuring out what’s what – perhaps you can step up and volunteer to help out?

Regarding the treasurer’s “we need a management company with a lawyer in their pocket” comment, I would have asked him/her point blank what that meant – did you? What was the response? You do know that if the management company has an attorney, he or she represents THEM, not the association right? Your association needs its own attorney – if you don’t have one, you need to find out why and ask the board how and when this will be addressed.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I also notice you have two or three posts regarding this board, with the underlying issue being your car being burned. If a condo employee was responsible, I’m not sure what the HOA board has to do with that or why it would prompt them and the management company to resign. Haven’t you filed a police report if you think this was vandalism or arson? Did you file a claim with your insurance company?

As for your post on recording board meetings on Twitter (not Tweeter), Tim and GenoS addressed that, so you need to listen to them – call the police if you’re being threatened (you’ll need to identify who’s doing it and describe exactly what this person did.)

If Florida law gives owners the right to record meetings, but I would suggest you look at the statute itself to see if there are other things you need to be aware of – for example, are we only talking about audio recordings? If you videotape it, are there issues if you post it on Twitter, Facebook, etc. and someone’s in the recording who doesn’t want to be seen? Geno, do you know the statute Carlos should reference?

If all this is an example of your board’s ongoing lack of competence when it comes to running the association, my previous suggestion stands – rally together your neighbors and get a permanent board in place so it can start doing some reviews to see what’s going on, who’s responsible (and should be held accountable) and how to resolve problems and keep them from happening again.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Hard to follow... Going to try my best here. Sounds like your car was burnt and a criminal investigation is involved in it's cause. Does not sound like it's been determined a crime yet. The person suspected of burning the car is associated with the HOA's Treasurer. That Treasurer resigned because of the accusations of their involvement. However, now they want to go back to being the Treasurer as the Management company is no longer supporting the HOA as of the 19th. They are to turn over the records to the HOA at that point.

Now if the Treasurer returns, they then will have access to the records of the HOA that could prove their guilt/innocence or the other person. Which sounds like the person accused may have worked for the HOA at one point? Were they a hired contactor like lawncare or maintenance?

What exact evidence do you have that hasn't been given to the investigators? Seems to me if you have evidence then you give that to the police/investigator into the case. They are the ones who can do something about it. Why keep it to yourself?

The Treasurer returning to their old position may be needed if the Management company is no longer involved. The HOA needs that position for that transition. Sounds like that is why it's a "Temporary board" until the changes are completed.

Former HOA President
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:

Person involved is a tenant and is hired as unlicensed worker for the condominium.
Car was burnt he is in the video helping another codefendant with the fuel and watch out and helping to leave the crime scene.
Wife is witness because is in the video testifying against his own husband this created another charge as domestic violence.
Terrorist was charged with Arson and Conspiracy.
The only problem I have in here is when President knocked my door and harassed,fined and said :Who ever I do not want here must be out of here.
President had been harassing me several times in 6 month even when was not my fault .
Terrorist had very good neighbor relationship with me even disclosed he worked in 3 units president has here and
in his private house,asked me a loan of 20.00 one week before the car was on fire.He paid back next day.
President never showed up after the fire or board of director to ask me if at least I need any help.
Reasons I believe my car was burnt down to the ground: Hispanic,only owner living in here,Freemason sign in my truck ,Jewish mezuzah in the door,
Masonic bible was on my truck visible and apron over the seat all the time,licenses in the state of Florida as expired Cam and Active Realestate,
in fact I do not know the cause of the vandalism but for sure they do not want me in here and I was throwed out of meetings.
If I recorded a meeting is because they lie all the time saying I am threatening them and callin 911.
I notified 911 there are making a drama and I do not have even a weapon and they are knocking my door,
Worker of the condominium is always asking money to everybody in here amd was bailed 5500 next day of the fire everybody comments He was helped by the board.
and Got a personal lawyer everybody mention was helped by the board.

My situation is grey in here,I listed my apartment for sale if the burnt my car they can kill me in this country town
I asked them for compensation otherwise I can not get out of here,my truck was my income I am in social security and my investment for my last days
was my condo pay in full and my like new truck.Now I am done with 600 a month in social security and 66 yo it is hard to get a job.

I do not think I can wait too longer the case close,I am asking help to the Board but with the ame treasurer will be hard.
Management company do not care who is in the Board the 19 they return all docs and they are donel
I can not afford a lawyer unless I pay if I am compensated.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I saw Melissa's response on your post regarding board meetings and recording them. I don't know why, but I smell a lot more drama than what you're describing here, especially reading what you just wrote (some of which really didn't make sense).

What exactly do you want from us? We aren't cops and can't help you with what you think is a crime, so I hope you're staying in touch with the police, particularly the person assigned to your case.

If you want legal advice, we aren't attorneys either - check with your local bar association to see if there's a Legal Aid society you can contact if affording a lawyer is an issue.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Still not seeing how this is the HOA's responsibility to pay you anything. The thing that happened to you was a criminal issue and not done by the HOA. Your wanting and requesting money from the HOA to compensate you for anything is the wrong approach. The truck should have had insurance on it. Our state that is required by law to have liability insurance.

I think you want to make this into a "Hate crime" by mentioning all the racial and religious issues you deem as part of the issue. That is a federal level case. A judge would have to decide if the crime that happened was hate or vandalism.

Sounds like there is more to this story. However, just giving you a heads up. The HOA not your problem or your life support. Your problem is the INDIVIDUALS who did this crime.

Former HOA President
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Insurance paid but I have a debt in the car so no too much I could do.
There is not drama,the Board do not want homeowner living in here period,they do not want nobody in the meeting,
and I was planning to l;eave in June anyway but without a car no income how I will leave
I must sell my unit then I can leave,REALITY I argue with the president,car was burn in the parking lot for a worker salaried by the condo.
It is enough for the Condo compensate.If I were the President as I was before and someone car is burnt I am the first one knocking the door of the terrorist and say with this crime you should move out.

Period.

I they compensate my car at least I can leave tomorrow and sell my apartment.
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Evidently the individual who did this crime was in his knees and told me I only have 6 month of Life I have cancer.

This individual was used by the board but unfortunately was caught in cameras.

Yes police is involved in the case and they were arrested
charged with Arson and back home next day with bail paid and lawyer representing.
This working were all the time begging in here (condominium workers)

Crime was in common elements,parking lot,president knocked my door and argued,a worker of the association it is involved and HOA has nothing to do,may be in the Court but not in reality/
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Yes this is a problem created by the Board of Directors and they should accept responsibility,apologize and help in my way out compensating something that they created and happened in his common elements,perpetrated by a worker and caught in camera.This is in the Law of Men that is the daily law we are living in here
In court ok they are not guilty and case it is closed even his own wife it is a witness.How I can get out of here in social security income.
and my extra ioncome was burnt? Thanks Melissa but even a blind man can tell that Board is immersed in this murky waters.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Those are not as blind as those who will not see. The HOA board is NOT responsible for providing you an income or compensation for you to move/sell out. They did NOT set your car on fire. A contractor who worked on the property set your car on fire for whatever purpose they had against you or the truck. That does NOT make the HOA responsible for your situation.

You need to realize if you want to sell or move, then go do it. Don't blame someone else for your problems. If you do, then you will never get any resolution to your problems you want.

Your truck was set on fire by someone who worked on the property. They were NOT paid by the HOA to set your truck on fire. Sounds like your looking for "deep pockets" to pay for your life style. Guess what? Social Security is already doing that.

Being a victim and playing victim two different things. Once you start asking for cash to go away, your playing victim.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CarlosC5 on 08/16/2017 4:50 PM

,my truck was my income I am in social security and my investment for my last days
was my condo pay in full and my like new truck.

And you had insurance on the like new truck, didn't you?

If you only had liability (vs. collision), then that was a choice you made.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
May I also point out that your on Social Security. The "income" your "losing" by not having that truck is supplemental income. The HOA isn't responsible to compensate you for whatever money your making on the side. That's not your sole source of income. Are you claiming that money you made from that work on your taxes?

Your basically trying to hold your HOA hostage with your wishes/demands. I can't see you as a mistreated suppressed victim of your HOA. Instead I see you as a victimizer of your HOA. Wanting to video tape you being "attacked" and posting it? Classic passive aggressive behavior. (Mentioned in another post).

My advice? Stop attacking your HOA and being attacked by your HOA. Take your losses and move on out. Live your life happy and out of the drama. Stop waiting for someone else to hand you a check unless you did real work for it.

Former HOA President
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Melissa I love the way you talk
because is exactly the way they talk,
again I want to live tomorrow and they want me to leave
it is not easier for both help one another
do you think I can leave if I do not have money or way to make it
have you tried get a job at 67 years old
I do some real estate and deliveries
I organized my future well
and someone for personal interests destroyed my future
and I pray for them,because I do not want to poison myself hating.
Night be nice if the Board accept they were caught
apologize and help me to get out of here
if I have the money I will not ask for help.
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Melissa a Treasurer resigning in the middle of a complain and a criminal issue
and returning 10 days later is shady or fishy.
A Treasurer that said: We need a Management Company with a lawyer in his pockets.
It is an open question to cloudy.
anyway It is domestic Terrorism is not vandalism/
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Melissa a Treasurer resigning in the middle of a complain and a criminal issue
and returning 10 days later is shady or fishy.
A Treasurer that said: We need a Management Company with a lawyer in his pockets.
It is an open question to cloudy.
anyway It is domestic Terrorism is not vandalism/
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Reportable income and HOA does not owe you a dime. What your doing is. Itis called extortion. Domestic terrorism is a new term used now a days as political correctness crap. It still means vandalism.

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Want to add If you follow through with the whole "Pay me and I leave peacefully" plan... You could go to jail. That is extortion. Have you put this request in writing?

The court when they prosecute the case of arson to your truck, will determine your losses if any to be paid to you. It's part of the restitution the person who is convicted of the crime may be required to pay. It's NOT the HOA responsibility.

Good luck but think your in some serious trouble here of your own making.

Former HOA President
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
I gotcha Melissa.Thanks.

In God I trust.

He might have a better plan for me.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Carlos

There is no linkage between the Association and the criminal(s) that damaged your car even if the criminals worked for the HOA. The HOA is not responsible. Pursue the criminals in a civil action.
CarlJ2 (Texas)
Posts: 194
Posted:
I've read through all this and I'm still not clear why Carlos thinks the COA owes him something. If you were the victim of vandalism via arson then yes that is a police matter and an insurance company matter. You mentioned that the suspect was in the employ of the COA so that is something I'd think the board would need to know. also it does not matter what you think the definitions of "Domestic Terrorism" vs. "Vandalism are" but it does matter what the law considers it and how it's dealt with.

The issue with the HOA secretary leaving and coming back seems irrelevant to the arson in the absence of any other evidence. Vague suspicions without evidence are not going to get you anywhere.

Finally, I'd reiterate what was asked earlier as to what you're asking this forum for? We're not lawyers or police. It's a group of folks who collectively have experience with and interest in HOA affairs, many of whom have been board members themselves or have had issues with HOAs in the past. All you'll find here are some general(non-legal) advice and some tips to help steer you based on collective experience.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Amazing how his "English" got better all of a sudden?

Former HOA President
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/17/2017 3:58 PM
Amazing how his "English" got better all of a sudden?

I think you may be making the same mistake I did last night (but maybe not). Note that CarlJ2 is not the same poster as CarlosC5.
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Thankas Melissa,I considered my case closed because I only had two solutions,I am a victim I am not playing the victim because without my truck/terrorism
my life completely changed to worst and it was my source of income.Those are the choices I had:
1.- Go to jail forever or death penalty.
2.- Pray and leave everything in the hands of God.

I opted the second one,the best weapon I have for them is "forgiveness",pray for them and the man they used,the scapegoat has cancer and told me He will die in 6 month.

I do not have income no saving but I am a healthy person willing to relocate,start a new life (nor in a condominium),and pray for them

They burnt my masonic bible,the burn my masonic apron,the burn my car with a masonic emblem.and if I stay they have our money
and can kill me paying with my own money,but now with the peace that God is watching.

People, notice more other mistakes that the facts.Yes English is my fourth language,but I listen Trump everyday and I understand
and I made the President of my HOA stump in the floor 3 times and scream: I hate Trump.
-Sir I replied this is your personal opinion and you have no right to scream it in front of my door.

One week later my car was burnt.Trust me divine justice will be made.

Scapegoats told me everything just like they planned and happened.

It is not only the Law written and Statutes,the law of truthfulness never lie.Time is the best witness.
CarlosC5 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Melissa my English is poor,but I passed the Cam exam 20 years ago in the first intent and the same in my Real Estate license.
We can talk french,italian and Spanish just lil English but enough to makre more than 100k a year when I was active worker.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
Posted:
You sound like a smart person.

?Why would you purchase into a HOA?

Perhaps you are actually as dumb as me!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am saying it's amazing how much clearer your English has become over this posting... Still say you want a money payout. You wouldn't have mentioned your past income if you were not. Just hope you realize the way you were going about it was just as illegal.

You have to wait till that court case with your truck finishes.

Former HOA President

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