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JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Our HOA is only 6 years old. North Carolina.

A homeowner built his fence with the "bad side" facing the wrong way, this isn't allowed per our covenants:

"Fences installed that have "good and "bad" sides must be installed with the "good" side facing outward, toward the neighbor's yard."

Picture: http://i.imgur.com/mR457GZ.jpg

I submitted a request to build a fence the same as theirs, knowing mine would get declined, because it's against the rules. I appealed their decision, and they won't let me build mine that way (I'm OK with that), but they also said they won't enforce the covenants on that fence because "This fence was "grandfathered" in as accepted by the previous Board in 2015. No one else will be able to use this special approval."

Our covenants were never amended or changed, it was never OK for this person to build their fence this way, but the board won't enforce it.

Is it OK for them to grandfather somebody in like this?

DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
This is a touchy situation. I believe the answer is yes. A previous BOD may have given permission/approval for them to build it that way. To me, it means that everyone else should be able too as well, but it's just not the case. I have some buildings that are non compliant in our neighborhood that were given (supposedly) approval by a past BOD. Doesn't mean I have to grant approvals for future buildings that would be built the same. Though I think if it went to court, it would be hard to defend. Fair is fair.

Have you asked for the letter of approval? Or are they just saying it was approved.

I realize this is part of the ongoing battle you have with your HOA. If there was an approval, it should be in writing and should be in the minutes of a meeting.

Good Luck.
JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
The previous board did NOT approve them to build the fence that way.
I know this because I was on the board previously.
The resident just built it that way regardless.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
Then you answered your own question. If it was not given approval by the previous board, as they suggest, then it's not approved. Does your documents support "grandfathering".

You need to talk to an attorney about this. Take your documents with you.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jeremy

What is your end game? Build your fence that way or bust the BOD and your neighbors stones or both?

JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 08/09/2017 1:43 PM
Jeremy

What is your end game? Build your fence that way or bust the BOD and your neighbors stones or both?


Bust the BOD.
JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
They have since conspired to contact police and get a restraining order against me for the sole purpose of banning me from HOA meetings/not being able to contact the Board. (This was told to me by 1 board member that likes me)
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Are you not the same Jeremy that your fellow owners recalled off the BOD?
Did you not get the hint at that time? You need to find your Sancho Panza.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Are you not the same Jeremy that your fellow owners recalled off the BOD?
Did you not get the hint at that time? You need to find your Sancho Panza.
JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Yes that's me. They gave me no time to speak and defend myself at the HOA meeting, just lying accusations against me...but let's stay on topic of this grandfather thing please.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeremyM3 on 08/09/2017 12:08 PM
The previous board did NOT approve them to build the fence that way.
I know this because I was on the board previously.
The resident just built it that way regardless.

Then the previous board should have enforced the covenant.
JeremyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 08/09/2017 2:52 PM
Posted By JeremyM3 on 08/09/2017 12:08 PM
The previous board did NOT approve them to build the fence that way.
I know this because I was on the board previously.
The resident just built it that way regardless.


Then the previous board should have enforced the covenant.

That doesn't stop the current board's obligation to enforce the covenant though. Correct?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jeremy,

Keep in mind that if this issue bugs you enough, you can take the issue through the courts and enforce the covenant yourself.

I will also point out that often the term grandfather is used incorrectly.
We have a couple of instances where the Board compromised on an incorrect fence. The compormise was when the fence is replaced or sold (which ever comes first) the fence must be in compliance with the covenants and guidelines in existence at that time.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
To answer your initial question: an the board "Grandfather" somebody in that is breaking a covenant?

The answer is probably.

For example, my new home is in a development that specifies within the deed restrictions that garages must be side load only. I have the only home that has a front load garage. Per the Board, I am grandfathered (i.e. they won't enforce the covenants on me) because it's the home the developer built for themselves.
DouglasM6 (Arizona)
Posts: 724
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeremyM3 on 08/09/2017 1:49 PM
They have since conspired to contact police and get a restraining order against me for the sole purpose of banning me from HOA meetings/not being able to contact the Board. (This was told to me by 1 board member that likes me)

Unless you're presenting the possibility of personal injury to the BOD, they will not be able to get a restraining order. If they feel physically threatened by you, you're doing it wrong.

You need to talk to an attorney!
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
I think others have answered your question sufficiently.

Question for you . . . do you intend to put up a fence, or are you just trying to find various ways to poke and prod the current Board, continuing/exacerbating the feud that is going on between you, them, and your neighbor(s)? If you knew it wouldn't be approved, why waste the time submitting?

If you really want to put up a fence, there are at least a couple reasonable options:
1) Install one that has 2 good sides, completely blocking theirs from your view. Maybe some day since it will be out of sight, it may also be out of mind.
2) Use the same style fence as they do, putting your side panels right up to your property line and face the "good" side out all the way around. Who cares that the "good" side of your fence will be right up against the "bad" side of your neighbor's. I'm not sure why anyone would want the inconsistency of having some "good" side and some "bad" side facing the interior of their lot anyway.

I understand there is a history between you, the Board, and maybe others in the neighborhood; however, you need to decide what sort of future you want for yourself there.

Do you enjoy the chaos that currently exists (regardless of how it came to be), or would you prefer that the chaos stop? I ask because regardless of history, the power is all yours right now to be the bigger person and not retaliate to something the Board does and not initiate anything new. If you stop coming at them, they will stop coming at you . . . otherwise one side or the other will need to involve other authorities to discontinue the harassment, intimidation, or whatever else is going on.

Some things to think about.

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