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MiaL (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
A homeowner asked to put a fence around the front of her property which is prohibited in the bylaws The homeowner also asked for a type of fencing that is not allowed by the bylaws.
Her request was rejected and she wants to change the bylaw. Our bylaws state that the HOA would have to record the change indicating that a meeting was held for the purpose of amending the bylaws and that a 2/3 of the votes of all members of the association approved of such amendment.
We have 170 homes. We are lucky if 70 attend our "mandatory" General Meeting.
Does the homeowner need a petition from a certain percentage of the homeowners to bring this vote to the floor?
How do we get the word out to the community? Registered mail with proxy votes? What if we do not get enough responses?

Thanks alot.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Mia, if the board wants to try to change the Bylaws (or do you mean the Declaration of CC&Rs) they can attempt to do so. If not, then the homeowner can try to call a meeting by petition in accordance with the bylaws and try to get the votes necessary. If I were your Managing Agent I would suggest to the board they not persue amending to this owner's desires on fencing restrictions. IMO such an amendment would be impossible to get approved.

If the homeowner wants to try they can read and follow the requirements in the bylaws to get sufficient support via petition to call a special meeting and to amend. If the owner can pass this hurdle then the Board would conduct the vote as they or the members at the special meeting determine as long as it complies with any bylaw requirements. Without 2/3 of 170 members or 114 approving then the amendment fails. Those not voting are similar to not approving.

RogerB
AudreyB (Florida)
Posts: 104
Posted:
Hi Mia,

I live in Florida too. I'm not an attorney. Just a homeowner who used to be a Board member.

If I wanted to put up a type of fence around the front of my house, and I my ideas were rejected by the Board of Director's, before I go after amending the bylaws in any way, I would make up a survey with a drawing of my front lawn with the type of fence I want to put up, as well as have a spot for will they attend a meeting to vote on this matter or not, and take this survey door to door to see if other homeowner's would be for or against my type of fence for my front yard. Because, there maybe other homeowner's who were thinking of doing the same thing and were afraid to say anything to anyone, or other's who would say it would bring down the value of their houses. I wouldn't waste my time arranging a meeting that no one would be interesed in and not show up.

Once the survey was done, let's say the majority of the homeowner's who would welcome these ideas and attend the meeting to vote on the amendment.

1) To get the word out to amend is first class mail with the proxies.

2)In this mailing, explain in detail there are two seperate amendments. One for fences to be allowed in the front yard/lawn. The second is the type of fence or fences for the front yard/lawn. How to fill out the proxy, and to make sure htey were notaraized.

3) Then, the details of the amendment itself. Write word for word what the bylaws say now about fences in the front yard/lawn. What the amendment will say about the fence in the yard/lawn, and the type of fences that can be put up in the front yard/lawn. Then, put the whole thing together to show exactly how the amendment looks afterwards.

4) Inform everyone that quorum of 2/3 of the homeowner's is necessary for votes to amend your bylaws for amending a fence for the front yard/lawn. A quorum of 2/3 of the votes are also needed for the type of fences for the front yard/lawn.

To amend the bylaws,your documents inform the homeowner's a meeting needs to take place. Such a meeting for a quorum for 2/3 of the votes can be obtained either at an Annual meeting or a Special Meeting. If your Annual meeting has already taken place then, a Special Meeting needs to be called with the date, time, place and the subject for votes: Fence for the front lawn, and the style of fences.

DO NOT do what my Board of Director's did. They took a survey, called it votes, and amended our articles of incorporations. Big NO,NO. Always have a meeting.

I was given this idea a while back as to how to get more people to attend either Annual or Special meetings; have them on a Saturday when most homeowner's are off from work.

If your survey shows no one is interested, then let the issue go.

I wish this homeowner luck.

Audrey
MiaL (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Roger, I did mean the Declaration of CC&R's. Oops!
The Board doesn't want to pursue the amendment either. I wish the homeowner luck because most people that are aware of the idea disapprove.
Thanks.
MiaL (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Audrey, I think a survey and petition is a great idea. I will let the Board and the homeowner know.If they survey shows community interest, we will hold a meeting for the vote. If more homeowners aren't interested, it will have to be dropped.
We try to alternate the meetings. We had Friday night last time and Saturday morning the time before. We unfortunately have to pay for the room-we have no place to hold the meeting except a YMCA. No church, school, or library was willing to have us-prior commitments and stuff.
Thanks.
BarbaraK (Florida)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Mia: I live in a Florida HOA, and amending your documents for such a reason is a complicated issue. Why don't you contact an attorney to find out if this is a feasible thing to do. If your documents say you need 2/3 of the homeowners to approve an amendment you better make sure you actually have that number. You need an attorney to look it over because all amendments to documents have to be registered with Tallahassee. It's not as simple as it might sound. Personally, I wouldn't change the documents to please one person, especialy for a fence. What if other people wanted to do things that go against your documents, this could lead to big problems.. Good luck
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:
Barbara K. Amendments to the Declaration of Protective Covenants in Florida do not have to be registered in Tallahassee, but in the County Court House in which the community is located. Only the Articles of Incorporation do go to Tallahassee.
AudreyB (Florida)
Posts: 104
Posted:
Donna,

Correct. The Amendments to the Declartion of Protective Convents as well as your Bylaws in FL, are filed with your local courthouse.

Did you also know that, amendments to the Articles of Incorporation according to our HOA documents say, do need prior approval from the Secretary of State, Division of
Corporations in Tallahassee?

However, every homeowner should make sure what their legal documents say concerning what the proceedures are for amendments.

Audrey

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