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JH6 (Virginia)
Posts: 30
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How big are your associations' operating funds relative to your yearly budgets (excluding reserve contributions)? Our operating fund is currently about 50% of our yearly expenditures--i.e. we could collect no dues for 6 months and we wouldn't run out of operating money--which feels a bit large, but I wanted to ask what others' experiences are with this.

If that does seem large, is there any compelling reason why some of it couldn't be allocated off to the reserve fund? I'm not seeing any significant tax implications of that, am I missing anything?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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We keep one month of expenses in our account when we develop the budget.

That is to say, we plan on starting the year (Jan 1) with only one months worth of expenses ($3K).
In reality, since many pay ahead of time, we usually have an additional $12-$15K on Jan 1 of prepaid assessments.

JH6 (Virginia)
Posts: 30
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Thanks Tim; that's orders of magnitude smaller than what we have (excepting the prepaids, which we don't have). That's helpful.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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JH

Unless you are needing this money for reserves, you are overcharging on dues. Our Operating Budget is about 80% of yearly dues.
TimM11
Posts: 354
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In my HOA, 80% of the dues go to the operating budget, and 20% the reserves. We allocate slightly more to the operating budget than we plan to use as a contingency in case it goes over. We currently have about a year's worth of dues, or about 125% of a year's operating budget, in our reserves at the moment.
JH6 (Virginia)
Posts: 30
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Thanks for the feedback. The budget is balanced (as much as they ever are), I'm not worried about the allocation to reserves too much. I'm more concerned with the size of the cushion in the operating budget than I am with the allocation of dues between reserves and operating. If you stopped taking in any dues, how long would it take for your operating fund to dry up? Tim plans for very little but has a lot of cushion because of prepayments.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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We spent as much as we collected. Any if any extra went to handle projects needing done. Basically a HOA is to be set up to run that way. Collect as much in as it spends. It's NOT a personal budget where one should have 3 months of a cushion. There is a difference. IRS could tax you on that cushion if not properly expended.

Now giving back the money is going to be an even more of headache. If your collecting too much, I would vote to lower the dues but not reimburse. Keep that as your cushion in savings or reserve. Once you give back money people won't trust the HOA too much when it asks to raise money.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JH6 on 07/31/2017 2:34 PM
I'm more concerned with the size of the cushion in the operating budget than I am with the allocation of dues between reserves and operating.

I think that this will vary from Association to Association.

If you typically have very few delinquent accounts, then one months worth of expenses is prudent.

However, if you typically have a lot of delinquent accounts, then 3 months is probably prudent.

Another variable is billing.
We bill annually but members may pay in 12 equal installments.
If an Association bills quarterly, or has quarterly payments, then a larger buffer may be needed.

Keep in mind buffers can be worked a couple of different ways.
One way is plan on always having a minimum in your checking account at the beginning of the year.
Another way is to only make transfers to reserves near the end of the year (after most have paid).
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 3:20 PM
We spent as much as we collected. Any if any extra went to handle projects needing done.

So you did collect extra which meant you collected too much. I thought that projects needing done were to be included in the budget. Sounds like you found other things that needed done to spend the extra money you collected.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By GenoS on 07/31/2017 4:30 PM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 3:20 PM
We spent as much as we collected. Any if any extra went to handle projects needing done.

So you did collect extra which meant you collected too much.

A budget is a guideline based on historical history (Example: we spend about 10K every year pruning trees or typically have 2 or 3 trees fall in a storm)or actual planned expenses (normal bills). However, if a light is burned out for a long time or only 1 tree falls in a storm or everyone paid on time so we didn't have the legal expenses we normally have, there is extra funds.

We handle that by transferring the extra (above our 1 month expense cushion) to the Reserves contingency line item.
TimM11
Posts: 354
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One caveat is that in some states (mine is one), reserve funds and operating funds have to be kept separate in certain types of HOAs, and reserves can't be used or borrowed from for operating expenses. Not that they really should anywhere else, either, but it does require more careful budgeting when there isn't that flexibility.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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No we did not collect "Extra". If we had a budget difference, then we took that money to pay for a project. Example: We paid insurance for 10 months of 12 month a year. Those 2 months we did not pay our insurance we took that money to fix an item, fill a request, pursue collections, or cover an emergency expense. It wasn't "Extra" as in we collected too much money. It was an "Extra" as in we could spend it on a non-budget item. Our budget was very tight and paid the bills.

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JH6 (Virginia)
Posts: 30
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TimB4, you mentioned the reserves contingency line item. Is that a separate account from the reserve, co-mingled with the reserve, or co-mingled with the operating fund? Is the reserves contingency more, ummm, accessible than say a replacement reserve fund? Or is it actually part of the reserve fund?

TimM11: that is sort of the root of my question. I'd be happy to move the money to the replacement reserve fund, but obviously do not want to end up in the situation you're describing where we have a poorly timed expense that's not a reserve expense and no operating funds to cover it. I was hoping that there was sort of a rule-of-thumb as to how much money people kept around in an operating fund--say as a multiple of months worth of spending--but it sounds as if that's not the case.

MelissaP1: If that works for you, then it works for you. I would say that's very atypical though.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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HOA's budgets don't usually cushion months ahead. The cushion is their long term accounts for capital expenses if there is need/requirement for one. Otherwise, being a not for profit corporation, you are to spend what you collect in as you do out. You can't "donate" or have bake sales to raise the funds either. Funds are raised by dues or by special assessments. Otherwise you could be facing some tax ramifications.

Former HOA President
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/31/2017 4:07 PM
Posted By JH6 on 07/31/2017 2:34 PM
I'm more concerned with the size of the cushion in the operating budget than I am with the allocation of dues between reserves and operating.


I think that this will vary from Association to Association.

If you typically have very few delinquent accounts, then one months worth of expenses is prudent.

However, if you typically have a lot of delinquent accounts, then 3 months is probably prudent.

Another variable is billing.
We bill annually but members may pay in 12 equal installments.
If an Association bills quarterly, or has quarterly payments, then a larger buffer may be needed.

Keep in mind buffers can be worked a couple of different ways.
One way is plan on always having a minimum in your checking account at the beginning of the year.
Another way is to only make transfers to reserves near the end of the year (after most have paid).

My association has very few delinquent accounts so we essentially start off each year with one month worth of expenses. I agree with Tim if your association has more delinquent accounts, then you need to adjust accordingly. My association bills annually and we all pay up front with vast majority paying on time. We might have one or two slightly late. You need to take into account your own personal HOA's past performance with regards to assessment payments to make your determination.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM

HOA's budgets don't usually cushion months ahead.

Then those Associations would be asking for trouble.
Similar to your home checking account, there should be a cushion to (at least) absorb the difference between when bills are due and income is received.

For example: As I stated earlier, within my Association, the members may pay the annual assessment in 12 monthly payments. The payments are due on the first and considered late if not received by the last day of the month. Our bills are typically received within the first week of the month and are late if not paid within 14 days. If everyone chose to wait until the end of the month to pay - the Association would be late paying their bills. Hence a cushion of 1 months expenses.

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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM

The cushion is their long term accounts for capital expenses if there is need/requirement for one.

Although utilizing the savings account, which is really what the Reserves are, works for someones personal accounts, it doesn't work for an Association. Money placed into reserves are to be used specifically for those purposes - not to pay the normal operating expenses.

In my opinion, an Association who is using their Reserve funds as the cushion for their operating expenses is asking for trouble and may be experiencing financial issues (excessive delinquent accounts, deferred maintenance, Reserves not fully funded, not willing to go after delinquent owners, etc.).

Additionally, there may be tax consequences using the Reserves for non-reserve identified items.

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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM

Otherwise, being a not for profit corporation, you are to spend what you collect in as you do out.

This is way over simplifying the tax code. In reality, a non-profit must account for funds. Otherwise, they would never be allowed to place money into Reserves for planned maintenance, repairs and replacement of capital components. Placing the funds into Reserves is not spending - it is accounting for the funds.

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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM

You can't "donate" or have bake sales to raise the funds either.

YES YOU CAN!

However, it would be considered taxable income if you utilize form 1120-H

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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM

Funds are raised by dues or by special assessments.

or grants and perhaps other options.

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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM

Otherwise you could be facing some tax ramifications.

Everyone pays taxes.

Talk to a CPA or tax professional to decide what works or doesn't work for your Association.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 3,868
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM
HOA's budgets don't usually cushion months ahead. The cushion is their long term accounts for capital expenses if there is need/requirement for one. Otherwise, being a not for profit corporation, you are to spend what you collect in as you do out. You can't "donate" or have bake sales to raise the funds either. Funds are raised by dues or by special assessments. Otherwise you could be facing some tax ramifications.

This is what is called ..... "alternative facts".
JH6 (Virginia)
Posts: 30
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Posted By RichardP13 on 08/01/2017 7:25 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/31/2017 8:30 PM
HOA's budgets don't usually cushion months ahead. The cushion is their long term accounts for capital expenses if there is need/requirement for one. Otherwise, being a not for profit corporation, you are to spend what you collect in as you do out. You can't "donate" or have bake sales to raise the funds either. Funds are raised by dues or by special assessments. Otherwise you could be facing some tax ramifications.


This is what is called ..... "alternative facts".

I know this is going to sound weird, but I think I know part of what Melissa is getting here with the tax situation. If you start accumulating operating funds, it usually means you're running a surplus, and can end up owing a sizable tax depending on what you file, how your organization is set up, etc. I don't think she's wrong about that.

Nonetheless, it's not really important to our organization. Our fund isn't growing, it's just large and has been large for a long time. We're not running surpluses, we just seem to have a lot of cash in our operating fund. I have no idea how we got there--it appears to predate me--but we have an accountant so I'm not going to worry about it. Furthermore, as far as our expenditures go, they're far too lumpy to do what Melissa proposes about timing spending and receipts as perfectly as she does. It's kind of shocking her organization can get away with it; almost every organization and person in the world needs some cushion for liquidity. Obviously, there's a lot of variance in how large that cushion needs to be, but still, it's there.
PitA
Posts: 1,416
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60 days + insurance deductible

excess goes into reserve fund quarterly
TimM11
Posts: 354
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There are many things for which an HOA may have to budget even if they don't end up spending the money. For mine, snow removal is a good example -- depending on the winter, we could end up plowing a few times a year, or nearly every week, and there are five months out of the year where it's a potential expense here.

Some HOAs, especially those with minimal expenses and budget needs, might be able to get away with less of a cushion, but for HOAs with larger budgets and more complex responsibilities, more of a cushion is needed (within reason).

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